Tuesday, September 10, 2013

Financial advisors tips for year-end planning

Jeff Brown for CNBC writes:  September is here and it's time to get excited about football, getting back into the school-year routine with your kids and, of course, year-end financial planning.
For anyone who believes financia+l plans can wait until December, think again.
Financial advisors stress that it's time to get serious about financial strategy, like taxes, evaluating open enrollment options at work and reassessing your overall financial plan.
"Getting started in September is perfect," said Sheryl Garrett, founder of Garrett Planning Network. "Some of the more sophisticated or involved things to do require advanced planning to make sure all the pieces come together."
It's best to start early because one move can affect others, explained Lewis Altfest, chief investment officer of Altfest Personal Wealth Management.
"We're requesting clients' tax information now," said Altfest, speaking in late August.
While many conversations will focus on year-end tax issues, there can be a raft of specific, complex topics to be addressed. For example, anyone who is turning 70½ must devise the best strategy for taking a required minimum distribution from traditional IRA and 401(k) plans.
Those planning to make charitable donations need time to select specific recipients and perhaps to decide whether to give cash or appreciated assets like stocks.
Additionally, some investors may be looking to convert traditional IRAs or a 401(k) into a Roth IRA plan. Still others may want to reverse a previous conversion through a recharacterization.
A recharacterization allows an investor to "undo" or "reverse" a rollover or conversion to a Roth IRA. An investor can generally recharacterize a rollover or conversion by Oct. 15 of the following year.
Advisors say this time of the year is when they speak with clients about making choices in their employer's open enrollment plans for health benefits and insurance. They also urge clients to find ways to maximize contributions in workplace retirement plans. 
Also topping many advisors' fourth-quarter "to do" lists is urging clients to exhaust the funds in flexible spending accounts or other tax-advantage workplace health benefit plans.
"You have to use it or lose it by the end of the year," said Thomas Henske, partner in Lenox Advisors. "If you put in $2,000, you don't want to have $1,000 sitting there at the end of the year."
Using remaining funds in a flex spending account can be as quick and simple as getting new glasses or contact lenses or going for a medical checkup or a teeth cleaning. But if it's something complicated, like getting that bad knee repaired or having work done on your teeth, time is of the essence to get those medical issues handled before the end of the calendar year.
"At the end of the year, no one is going for [elective] surgery," Henske said. "People are going on vacation and they're doing their family thing, starting with Thanksgiving."
Advisors obviously use this time of the year to concentrate on year-end tax planning with their clients and the conversion will focus on changes in tax laws. It can get complicated which is why advisors stress to their clients to address tax planning as early as possible.
For example, while the fiscal cliff was averted in January, there are still some complex issues to work through come tax time.
What you should be asking your financial adviser now
CNBC's Sharon Epperson sits down with a panel of financial advisors to ask their advice on how you should be planning your financial future now.
For instance, the tax rates on long-term capital gains and dividends are still 15 percent for most taxpayers. However, the fiscal cliff compromise established a higher, 20 percent cap gains and dividend rate for couples earning more than $450,000 and singles earning more than $400,000 a year. It also raised the income tax rate for those high earners to 39.6 percent from 35 percent. And it established a 3.8 percent Medicare surtax for wealthier taxpayers.
"When the tax is higher, the benefit of that [year-end tax strategy] is greater," Altfest said.
With capital gains, for instance, a common year-end strategy is to postpone until New Year's the sale of profitable investments, to delay the tax bill by a year. Investors can also sell losing investments to book losses that will offset gains on other holdings they've sold. And up to $3,000 in losses can be used to reduce income tax.
But using these strategies can be tricky and stressful, advisors say. While any losing investment can be a sale candidate—the investor always runs the risk that the investment could rally and become profitable in the future. 
"There is a lot more planning needed this year in terms of, 'Is this a good time to take gains and losses?'" Altfest said. "You don't want to adversely impact your portfolio as a result of making tax changes."
Another factor that could affect year-end investment strategy moves is the big run-up in many U.S. stocks versus losses on bonds and some commodities.
"It has become very difficult to find losses in portfolios, and the opportunities to defer income is much more limited these days as a result," Altfest said.
Because of the disparity in stocks and bonds performance this year, there's a good chance an investor's asset allocation needs adjusting, and fixing that should be part of the year-end strategy, advisors say.
But first advisors stress that investors may want to reassess their financial targets, perhaps reducing bond holdings because of the higher risks bonds present today if interest rates rise.
Advisors also stress that tax-loss harvesting is one of the most important strategies to discuss with clients in the fourth quarter. It's a technique used to lower taxes while maintaining the expected risk and return profile in a portfolio.
Tax gain/loss harvesting does not just affect federal income taxes, it also has implications on state taxes, said Mark Cortazzo, senior partner in Macro Consulting Group.
Rules vary from state to state, with some, for instance, allowing investment losses to offset ordinary income, while others do not. Therefore, Cortazzo says it's critical to get an early start on these key issues.
Cortazzo said he also urges clients to update wills and estate plans to reflect new tax rules adopted early in the year.
Henske says he'll use this time of the year to discuss long-term-care insurance with clients. Garrett, who also feels the fourth quarter is a good time to review insurance needs, will take this opportunity to push clients to talk about budgeting, a topic that is too easily left untended.
"I think of it as weeding your garden," she says.
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Xero shares take a hit (BULL!), Intuit is doomed

Mike Block for Quickbooks-blog writes: The occasional completely wrong stories about Xero’s stock price keep amazing me. Here is a January 2013 prediction of doom (Xero Shares take a hit):
OPINION: Xero shares threatened to break through the $15
barrier this morning before suddenly crashing in what looked
like it could be the start of a major market correction. Shares
in the online accounting company plummeted $1.40 to $13.50.
Actually, this would have been a terrific time to buy Xero. Anyone who bets against Xero is almost sure to lose big. As of 9/8/13, Xero was $18 NZ$ ($2.1 billion market cap). Thousands of CPAs, Chartered Accountants and bookkeepers will be attending sold out four-day shows in Auckland, Sydney, San Francisco and London by the end of September. Everyone at the San Francisco show was sure Xero was much better than QuickBooks, Quicken or anything else in the small and medium business area, despite near hysterical Intuit actions.
Due to incredible new features Xero adds, every few weeks, at low or no cost, we all wanted to switch some or many accounts fast. One group included a CPA firm that consulted with 70% of the 100 largest CPA firms in five years. A second group has long been the best QuickBooks national teacher of CPAs. Both sound like they will soon move many clients to Xero. We also have a very fast growing list of inexpensive and powerful add-ons. They use free industry-standard RESTful interfaces, which keep getting better, making Xero the ideal choice for small and large companies. To the ontrary,
Intuit has a market cap of around $19 billion. I see no reason why Xero may not soon pass that. Their technology is comparatively far more disruptive and compelling than the comparable technology that Intuit had when it quickly killed 46 competitors in 1983. This time the rapid switch also will relate to the many senior CPAs who will never forget QuickBooks and TurboTax ads saying users did not need accountants, plus many sales and other policies that badly damaged CPA - client relationships. To the contrary, Xero continuously emphasizes its commitments to CPAs, Chartered Accountants and professional bookkeepers, who will eagerly reciprocate. We also will keep spreading the word from the ex-manager of Intuit’s ProAdvisor program, who now works for Xero precisely because of the way Intuit kept bypassing CPAs.
Do not think, however, that this relates to CPAs and other accounting professionals leading clients to Xero. In fact, the ratio of Xero users to Xero Partners is far higher than the comparable ratio of QuickBooks users to QuickBooks ProAdvisors. It also is far better for investors, because CPAs must learn what users want Therefore, Xero is far better for accounting professionals for this alone. Moreover, knowledgeable QuickBooks CPAs know how Intuit has long been damaging users and us by giving away QuickBooks ProAdvisor titles without tests (cost - $1/BILLION/year). There also are now many current and former top Intuit employees and CPAs, who would like nothing better than to get even.
Finally, Xero also already has enthusiastic users all over the world, while Intuit never had much more than a U.S. play. All this relates to why I now feel Intuit is doomed.
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Getting Creative With 529 Plan Options / Unhappy with your plan's age-based portfolio choices? Consider using pure-equity, pure-bond, or pure-cash offerings to supplement them.

Adam Zoll for Morningstar writes: Question: I like the tax break I get for contributing to my state's 529 college-savings plan for my daughter and would prefer to use the age-based portfolio option, but I'm not thrilled with its allocation to stocks. Is there anything I can do?

Answer: Along with the state income tax deduction you mentioned, investing in a 529 plan typically offers college savers the chance to use age-based portfolios specifically designed for their time frames. These fund-based investment options adjust their allocation to stocks, bonds, and cash as the account beneficiary gets older, typically beginning at close to 100% equities and slowly tilting away from equities and toward bonds and cash as the beneficiary gets closer to college age. The rate at which this happens is often referred to as the age-based track's "glide path." (For a comparison of 529 age-based portfolio glide paths with those of target-date funds, see this article.)
Age-based portfolios are very popular with 529 savers because they offer "set-it-and-forget-it" convenience, with the plan automatically reallocating account assets each time the beneficiary reaches a given age, as opposed to the account owner having to babysit the money and making allocation and rebalancing decisions along the way.


Limited Age-Based Options in Some Plans
About half of 529 plans offer more than one age-based allocation track--for example, Utah's Gold-rated 529 plan offers aggressive, moderate, and conservative age-based portfolio tracks, with equity allocations for the youngest beneficiaries that range from 60% (conservative) to 100% (aggressive). By age 18, that allocation to equities ranges anywhere from 0% to 20% depending on the track.



But 529 plans offered by other states, such as Maryland and Oregon, offer just one age-based portfolio track. That would seem to put college savers who prefer to use these single-track plans, perhaps to qualify for a state income tax break, at the mercy of the plan administrators who designed them. However, there are ways that account holders who like the convenience of age-based portfolios, but not the particular allocations available through their respective 529 plans, to make tweaks by adding the plan's pure-equity, pure-bond, or pure-cash-equivalent portfolios to the account.


For example, let's say your state's only age-based portfolio track uses a 60% allocation to equities when the beneficiary reaches age 5, but you think that's too low and would prefer an 80% allocation. Assuming your plan also offers a 100% equity portfolio on its menu of investment options, you could strategically divert some assets (or add new ones) in the account to the 100% equity portfolio in order to achieve your desired allocation to stocks. Thus, if the account held $10,000 in assets and you wanted to achieve an 80% equity exposure using the 529 plan's investment options, you would keep $5,000 in the age-based portfolio while putting the other $5,000 in the 100% equity portfolio ((60% x $5,000) + (100% x $5,000) = $8,000, or an 80% equity exposure). Likewise, if you thought that the age-based portfolio's equity allocation was too high you could adjust the other way, diverting assets into a 100% fixed-income portfolio, assuming the plan offers one. Investors whose 529 plans offer just one age-based track but who would like to see other glide-path possibilities might look to another plan, such as Utah's, for ideas.


Another option would be to avoid age-based portfolios entirely and build your own customized allocation using the plan's pure-equity, pure-bond, and/or pure-cash portfolios, ratcheting down exposure to stocks as the beneficiary gets older. 
This approach allows for more precision as far as allocation within your 529 account goes, but it also will require a bit more attention on your part than if you were to use solely an age-based portfolio. That's because an age-based portfolio that falls out of its target allocation rebalances automatically, whereas with a customized approach, you would be responsible for keeping on target the allocation you have in mind and making adjustments as needed.


A Way to Steer Clear of Bonds
The idea of customizing your 529 plan to meet your allocation needs also holds appeal for investors fearful that rising interest rates will lead to losses in the bond portions of their plans' age-based portfolios--a legitimate worry given that age-based portfolios typically hold 50% or more of assets in bonds as the beneficiary approaches age 18. In such cases account holders might consider creating their own customized allocations using the plan's 100% equity and 100% cash-equivalent options (which typically invest in very low-risk, short-term securities). For example, an investor who wanted a 50/50 equity/fixed-income split without any medium- or long-term bond exposure could simply put half of the account's assets in the pure-equity fund and the other half in the cash-equivalent account. Of course, such a plan would require regular monitoring of the account--especially the equity sleeve--to make sure the allocation doesn't fall out of whack.

One issue to keep in mind with any of these 529-customization strategies is whether the account charges annual fees per investment selection as opposed to a single fee for the whole account. For example, the Illinois Bright Start 529 charges an annual account fee for each index-based portfolio used. So using an index-based equity portfolio in addition to an index-based glide path portfolio within an account would mean paying $20 in annual fees compared with the $10 it would cost to use only one of the portfolios.
No one likes to pay extra fees, but for investors with substantial sums saved in a 529 and who seek greater control over the allocation of their investments, doing so may seem like a small price to pay.
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Why Missing Quarterly Tax Deposits Can Devastate Your Business

Mark J Kohler for Entrepreneur writes:  Tax problems can snowball quickly and sap the lifeblood out of a business quicker than almost any other problem.


As entrepreneurs, we come to realize quickly no one is 'withholding' from a paycheck for us and we have to be proactive about making deposits so we don't get behind with the IRS.
Some of you who filed an extension earlier this year may be filing your Corporate or LLC tax returns this week -- just a reminder the due date is September 16 -- and experiencing the shock that you didn't make enough quarterly deposits last year and are facing a big tax bill.

This can be a scary and daunting situation but the worst thing you can do is ignore the problem, go into denial and perhaps choose to not even file your tax return. This could make things even worse. Let me assure you that the penalties for not filing when you owe are even worse than just filing your tax return and working out a payment plan with the IRS a few months from now.
As for the rest of us trying to be proactive and stay on top of our tax deposits, here are a few basics to keep in mind:
1. It all starts with your federal tax deposits. These are generally due for all business owners on April 15, June 15, September 15 of the current tax year and January 15 at the beginning of the following tax year. The deposits are based on what you think you will owe at the end of the year, and yes, there are penalties if you don't deposit enough during the year.
More importantly, the penalties aren't as daunting as the shock of realizing you didn't make the proper amount of deposits and you have a big tax payment due when you file your return. That is when things can get out of control when trying to make your current year's deposits, catch up on last year and still cover payroll and regular business expenses. That's the 'snowball' I was talking about earlier.
2. What about the state tax? Yes, if you live in a state with an income-tax, you need to take this seriously as well and should certainly plan on making quarterly deposits to the state. This can easily be calculated based on your prior year's liability and coupons printed out from the applicable state website.
3. Don't forget about payroll reports and deposits. If you have an S-Corporation or you have employees, payroll deposits are critical when filing your payroll reports. This is the most serious type of quarterly deposit. The IRS treats withholdings from employee's paychecks and the match, as "sacred funds". It's not uncommon to see employers actually go to jail for keeping deposits and never remitting the funds to the IRS.
Now keep in mind that as your payroll levels increase, you may be required to make monthly or even weekly deposits for payroll taxes. The IRS doesn't want to wait around until the end of the quarter to get there funds. It also actually makes life easier on you if you make the deposits more frequently and it reduces your chance of getting behind.
4. What to do when there is uncertainty. This whole process doesn't have to be mysterious or confusing. When you file your tax return, your accountant should prepare tax deposit coupons for you to follow based on your last year's tax liability.
That said, problems can arise if your income fluctuates during the year or you file your tax return on extension well after several of your tax deposits are due.
Bottom line: Don't put on the blinders if you are questioning how much or when you should make your deposits. Try to meet with your CPA at least once or twice a year for a quick planning session and not only cover your tax strategy plan, but also your deposit schedule and estimated tax bill for the year.
 
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Numerous tax deductions to vanish by the end of the year

Tracy Bunner for Standard.net writes: There were many tax deductions that were extended in 2013. However, there were some that were only extended for one year. Unless Congress extends the following tax deductions, they are set to expire on Dec. 31.
Educator’s expenses — Teachers, instructors, counselors, principals and aides for kindergarten through 12th grade, can deduct up to $250 out-of-pocket costs reducing their taxable income.
Cancellation of debt-mortgage debt — Not long ago, I described that the cancellation of mortgage debt up to $2 million dollars (married filing jointly) or $1 million for married filing separately, could be excluded from income. This exception was because of the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt relief Act of 2007. Congress extended this Act through Dec. 31.
Mortgage insurance premiums deduction — Taxpayers with adjusted gross income of $109,000 or less can currently treat qualified mortgage insurance premiums as home mortgage interest.
Personal energy property credit — A credit subject to a $500 lifetime cap is available for qualified energy efficiency improvements and expenditures to a taxpayer’s principle residence until the last day of the year.
State and local sales taxes deduction — Many taxpayers who do not pay state income taxes can take instead the state and local sales tax deduction.
Tuition and fees deduction — Individuals can claim an above-the-line deduction for tuition and fees for qualified higher education expenses. This deduction reduces the taxable income.
Qualified leasehold, restaurant and retail improvement property — Qualified leasehold improvements, qualified restaurant property and qualified retail improvement are currently assigned a 15-year straight-line recovery period. However, after Dec. 31, all will be assigned a 39-year straight-line recovery period.
Section 179–deduction limit — The current Section 179 deduction and qualifying property limits are $500,000 and $2 million respectively. After 2013, the deduction for Section 179 expensing will be $25,000 and $200,000 respectively. In addition, qualified real property will no longer be eligible for Section 179 expensing.
Special (bonus) depreciation — The 50 percent special depreciation allowed currently for qualified property additions will only include long production-period property and certain aircrafts after Dec. 31.
All of these deductions will expire on the last day of 2013, unless they are extended by Congress before the end of the year.
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Tax Planning for the Retirement Savings Contribution Credit

Mike Piper the Oblivious Investor writes: A reader writes in, asking:
“Based on my gross income, I don’t quite qualify for the retirement savings credit. But I’m not maxing out my 401k. If I contributed more to the 401k would it reduce my income so that I *would* qualify for the credit?”
In short, yes, it could.

How the Retirement Savings Contribution Credit Works

For those unfamiliar with the Retirement Savings Contribution Credit, it’s calculated as a percentage (either 10%, 20%, or 50%) of the first $2,000 of contributions you make to a retirement account per year. (If married filing jointly, the first $2,000 of contributions for each spouse can be counted.) As your adjusted gross income increases, however, the percentage used to calculate the credit decreases. The income ranges for 2013 are as follows:
Married filing jointly:
  • Up to $35,500: credit = 50% of contribution
  • $35,501-$38,500: credit = 20% of contribution
  • $38,501-$59,000: credit = 10% of contribution
  • Above $59,000: Not eligible for credit
Single:
  • Up to $17,750: credit = 50% of contribution
  • $17,751-$19,250: credit = 20% of contribution
  • $19,251-$29,500: credit = 10% of contribution
  • Above $29,500: Not eligible for credit
Head of household
  • Up to $26,625: credit = 50% of contribution
  • $26,626-$28,875: credit = 20% of contribution
  • $28,876-$44,250: credit = 10% of contribution
  • Above $44,251: Not eligible for credit

Taking Control of Your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI)

The key point from a planning perspective is that the credit is based on your adjusted gross income (that is, the bottom line from the first page of your Form 1040), which you have some degree of control over. As the reader surmised above, pre-tax contributions to a 401(k) would reduce this figure, as would deductible traditional IRA contributions and HSA contributions. In fact, any of the deductions listed on lines 23-35 of Form 1040 reduce your adjusted gross income, though retirement plan contributions and HSA contributions are typically the ones over which you have most control.
So, if your AGI is anywhere just above one of the applicable threshold points, taking action to reduce your AGI such that it falls below the threshold in question could increase the amount of your credit — either by making you eligible when you otherwise wouldn’t be or, for example, by moving your income to the range where the credit is calculated as 20% of your eligible contributions rather than 10%.
For more information about the credit (such as the requirements to claim the credit other than having an adjusted gross income below the applicable threshold levels), see Form 8880 and its instructions or IRC Section 25B. 
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Any value in non-deductible IRA?

 From Bogelheads we read Any value in non-deductible IRA? 

Postby ThatFella » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:42 pm
Hi all,

This is my first time posting, but I have been lurking for a long time, and wanted to say that you all have been tremendously helpful between these forum posts and the wiki. Thanks for all you do!

Emergency funds: Done
Debt: Only mortgage (30 yrs @ 4.25%), over-paying the minimum each month
Tax Filing Status: Married filing jointly
Tax Rate: 33% Federal
State of Residence: IL
Age: 30
Desired Asset allocation: 80% stocks / 20% bonds
Desired International allocation: 33% of stocks

The wife and I have maxed out our employer 401ks and have a significant amount beyond a retirement fund in a savings account. I’m looking to begin investing much of that beyond the 401k.

My understanding is that we are not eligible to invest in a Roth IRA because we exceed the $188K limit for Roths. My understanding is also that we will get no tax deduction using a traditional IRA because our AGI exceeds the $112K limit.

Is there still value in contributing and maxing out the traditional IRA without the deductions, or is it now equivalent to investing in a taxable account? More generally, what is the benefit of a traditional IRA if you do not get the deduction up-front? I read that “at least your savings will grow tax-deferred”, but I’m not clear if/how this is different from what would happen in a taxable account. In fact, wouldn’t my taxes potentially be higher at withdrawal in retirement since it will be at my regular tax rate versus the lower capital gains rate? Should I skip the IRA altogether? Am I missing other options? 

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Any value in non-deductible IRA?

Postby Spirit Rider » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:10 pm
I know of two possible uses for a non-deductible IRA.

The first involve the use of the "backdoor" ROTH IRA. This allows you to contribute to a non-deductible IRA and then immediately convert to a Roth IRA. This can be done without regard to income.

This must be done proportional to all traditional IRA balances. So if you have substantial IRA balances this may not be beneficial because a high percentage of your conversion may be taxable and you are already at a very high marginal tax rate.

However, you could roll all your current IRA balances into your 401k accounts. Then you would have no pre-tax balances in your IRAs. This would allow all backdoor Roth rollovers to proceed essentially tax free.

The other case would be a very unusual circumstance given your asset allocation. If you had substantial taxable balances invested in tax efficient assets. Also, you had insufficient room in your tax advantaged accounts for tax inefficient assets to meet your asset allocation. Then the non-deductible IRA would provide more room to deferr the taxes on additional tax inefficient assets.
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Re: Any value in non-deductible IRA?

Postby 123 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:18 pm
The advantage of a non-deductible IRA is that the growth of assets in the account (either from dividends, interest, or capital appreciation) is not taxed until funds are withdrawn from the IRA. This growth provides a significant advantage the longer the funds remain in the IRA. Since no tax reporting is necessary when you sell or trade assets within an IRA it can be an exceptionally easy way to handle brokerage investments. However, if one is a long-term buy and hold investor the regular capital gain tax provisions may provide a lower tax rate because distributions (of porportionate gains) from a non-deductible IRA will be taxed as ordinary income. Depending on an individual's age and assets one might decide that having a mix of accounts, each with different tax scenarios could provide more options. Down the road considerations could also include the potential role of the account in charitable gifting as well as estate planning. Since IRAs have a comparatively low maximum contribution each year it may take time to build the account up to a useful size but trading within an IRA without immediate tax consequences feels really good.

I agree with Spirit Rider that currently the most significant advantage of a non-deductible IRA is that it provides an opening to the "backdoor" ROTH IRA.
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Re: Any value in non-deductible IRA?

Postby ThatFella » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:21 pm
Thank you, Spirit Rider and 123!

I've been reading up on the "backdoor" ROTH, and that looks like the thing to do! I do not have any non-Roth deductible IRA contributions currently, so that should make that process fairly smooth. Do you have any thoughts on the "waiting" period between contributing and converting converting that I've read about?

I want to make sure I understand 123's point correctly. Anything invested in the IRA can be moved around and reconfigured within the IRA at any time without having any tax consequences. However, if you were to move around assets in a taxable account, the trade would be seen as a withdrawal and you would pay the capital gains (or other tax impacts) at that time. Is that right?
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Re: Any value in non-deductible IRA?

Postby pingo » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:29 pm
^ Moving funds/money around inside any IRA is not a taxable event, just like your 401k.

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Re: Any value in non-deductible IRA?

Postby DSInvestor » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:06 pm
ThatFella wrote:I do not have any non-Roth deductible IRA contributions currently, so that should make that process fairly smooth.


Do you have any pretax assets in any other iRA accounts like Rollover-IRA, Traditional-IRA, SEP-IRA, SIMPLE-IRA? If you have a rollover IRA from an old 401k that could complicate the conversion step of backdoor into Roth IRA. See IRS form 8606 lines 1-15 for details. Notice that line 6 asks for the value of traditional' SEP, simple iras as of dec 31.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8606.pdf
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Re: Any value in non-deductible IRA?

Postby grabiner » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:27 pm
ThatFella wrote:Thank you, Spirit Rider and 123!

I've been reading up on the "backdoor" ROTH, and that looks like the thing to do! I do not have any non-Roth deductible IRA contributions currently, so that should make that process fairly smooth. Do you have any thoughts on the "waiting" period between contributing and converting converting that I've read about?


There is no need to wait, and if you do wait and have gains, you would need to pay tax on them, so you might as well convert the day your deposit is available. You can either invest in a mutual fund in the non-deductible IRA and then convert to the same fund in the Roth, or else invest in a money-market fund in the non-deductible IRA and then convert to the fund you want to hold in the Roth.

I want to make sure I understand 123's point correctly. Anything invested in the IRA can be moved around and reconfigured within the IRA at any time without having any tax consequences. However, if you were to move around assets in a taxable account, the trade would be seen as a withdrawal and you would pay the capital gains (or other tax impacts) at that time. Is that right?


Yes, this is how taxes work, which is the advantage of the IRA.
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Re: Any value in non-deductible IRA?

Postby pingo » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:43 pm
I realize OP has already been studying about the Backdoor Roth, but the usual links haven't been referenced in this thread, so I'll post 'em in case they're helpful to the OP or lurkers:

The Backdoor Roth: A Complete How-to

Bogleheads.org Wiki: Backdoor Roth IRA

Oh, I hadn't seen this one yet:


How to Report Backdoor Roth in TurboTax
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