Thursday, February 6, 2014

Why Machines Will Replace Your Accountant / The Future of Accounting

Roger J Gregg for The Invicto Blog writes: “The future has not been written.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.  I wish I could believe that.”   Me too John Connor.

Accounting, by long-standing definition, is “the process or work of keeping financial accounts”.  Keeping financial accounts.  Straight forward enough.

A recent report by the Oxford Martin School (University of Oxford) examined the expected impacts of future computerization on US labor market outcomes – basically, which jobs, and how many jobs, are at risk due to the rise of the machines.

The authors of the paper predict that there is a 94% chance of an Accountant’s job being automated in the next 20 years.  In my opinion, they are probably right.

When I tweeted that prediction a few weeks ago, I hadn’t had time to make a cup of tea before the first interjection came in.  But just think about it.  If the definition of an accountant’s job is the process or work of keeping financial records, do you really think accountants will be doing any of that in 20 years?  Won’t the machines be doing that for them?

If technological advancement is gathering pace (and not slowing up), then it’s useful to cast your mind back to where you were just 20 years ago.

Picture the Accountant’s office of 1994.

You arrived in a paisley shirt and loafers in your new Holden Commodore (VR), Wheel’s Car of the Year.

This morning you tried one of those new latte coffee drinks in the paper-cups as you ask a colleague if they knew anything about this new Internet thing you’ve heard about.   And by the way…if you have never watched this video clip, you must! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUs7iG1mNjI)

On your desk are Tipp-Ex, a hole-punch, ring reinforcements, a Parker pen and a calculator with printer functionality incorporated.
There are more filing cabinets than staff.

Dot-matrix printers are clacking-away in the background, the hum only being broken by the noise of pages falling off the tray, or when your colleague screams when they realize the printer ribbon was out of ink.

You just spent an hour installing Excel 4.0 from two 3.5” disks over a mug of Nescafe, and you are now trying to find the page of the manual explaining the new ‘auto-fill’ feature you heard about at the water-fountain.

The receptionist is about to gather up the cheques and credit card slips to visit the bank and collect the bank statement from last week.

And you still haven’t even heard of a young pup called Craig Winkler yet – he’s still 5 years away from renaming Data-Tech Software to MYOB.

20 years ago, Accounting was as much about gathering information, transposing it and filing the data, as it was about preparing it.  And with that gathering, storing and filing came billable hours.  Good times.  Classic hits as they say.

But the times they are a-changing.  Gathering data now happens with a drag and a drop, an upload, or the click of a few buttons.  In fact some data, like bank-feeds, just appears overnight.  Other data, like bills, appear in real-time, direct from the supplier.  Receipts can be recorded and expensed by the person who incurred them direct from their phone.  Sales systems are beginning to connect to accountancy software suites.  Timesheet systems connect to payroll that in turn connect to the general ledger and bank payment systems.

That Internet thingy they talked about on NBC just 20 years ago isn’t half bad, but perhaps not so much if your business is the business of collecting information, and manually entering it.
Since we launched invitbox 2 years ago, I have been amazed by the rapid pace of change that I have seen in accounting firms.  I have seen firms emerge that operate 100% in the cloud.  So much so, that the practice operates out of a shared office space with hot-desks.  They don’t need to print, nor do they have filing cabinets.  Everything is shared online with the client.
I have watched practices change from being traditional accounting firms (“I’ll see you this time next year then.”), into dynamic organizations providing business services to their clients, connecting with them weekly, and becoming an integral and valued part of the business’ DNA.  And I have watched as some of their competitors who have refused to change, reduce their staff numbers in response to falling client numbers.

I have seen accounting practices entering into both formal and informal partnerships with bookkeeping companies, recognizing the vital job that bookkeepers provide in the outsourcing of services to clients.

But equally so, I am still amazed by the number of accounting firms that either (a) don’t get it, (b) see it, but don’t care, (c) see it, but think that it won’t affect them any time soon, or (d) see it, get it, but procrastinate.  And I am equally amazed by the number of firms (albeit a small number) that still spread fear about functionality, security, speed, uptime, disruption, unsuitability etc.  They continue to put their own self-interests ahead of the interests of their client.

Today, the Accounting landscape looks very much like the environmental landscape of 20 years ago.  Where once there might have been a debate about carbon emissions, global warming and rising sea levels, today (in our circles anyway) a debate now rages about cloud software, security, functionality and usability.

During the environmental debate, in addition to those who were trying to change people’s habits, there were of course the doubters, the detractors, the false prophets, those with vested interests, the protectionists and those stuck in their ways.  And that is no different to what we see today with the debate around cloud, cloud technology and the efficiencies it brings.
Interestingly, the well known Technology Adoption Life-Cycle Model can be applied to the history of the environmental debate much in the same way than it can with the cloud debate.  The Technology Adoption Life-Cycle Model breaks down the adoption of technology over a period of time into 5 groups of people.

The Innovators
20 years ago there were bicycle riding, crop munching, placard-waving, organic cotton wearing, “I will chain myself to this mulberry bush” greenies who most of us ignored because we were too busy.  Over the last few years we have witnessed some accounting (and bookkeeping) practices adopting and advocating the advantages of cloud accounting software, and the App-ecosystem that exists around it.  They are telling their clients (where it is appropriate to do so, but in none-too uncertain terms) that they must change the way they do things.  They are modern Day Bob Greens and Bob Geldofs.

The Early Adopters
15 years ago there were Prius-driving, “I won’t eat tuna”, Greenpeace supporting, non-fur wearing, “I have a keep-cup at home” kindle-readers, and now we have accounting firms getting t-shirts, a twitter account, a nice website and fixed-pricing plans.  And they are setting out to learn about different accounting software and cool Add-ons, and not just rely on what they know.

The Early Majority
5 years ago there were the 325 (not 335) badged, organic-chicken eating, “I voted for the Greens”, non-animal testing, “I sometimes re-use gift-bags” recyclers, and we now have firms sending their young managers along to accounting roadshows and workshops to find out why it’s spelled with an X and not a Z, if it is pronounced in-VIT-box or in-VITE-box, and asking them to prepare a PowerPoint explaining it all in layman’s terms.

The Late Majority
We are only now starting to see the turbo-diesel SUV owning, barn-laid egg loving, “Greens were my first preference”, puppy-loving brigade that buy a new green Coles bag each time they shop, and we are also seeing their accounting equivalent questioning who these new firms are on the BRW Top 100, and reading about another accounting roadshow season in the Financial Review print edition.

The Laggards
And lastly there will be the “my engine is no bigger than the case of Perrier I drink”, Foie gras spreading, “Palmer might have a point on clean coal” minority that would never drown a puppy or use plastic bags to throw their rubbish into the oceans, that we may never see again.   The firm of Kodak and Partners think that cloud is how high their corporate office should be.
But the technology adoption lifecycle is an important one.  Supply must be able to keep up with demand.  Innovation needs time to find a niche, and then evolve before early adoption.
Very often, between early adoption and acceptance by the early majority there is a period known as the chasm.  Many technologies have reached the chasm, but have not crossed it.  I have heard it said by some that cloud accounting is at this point – at the chasm.  But by definition, this chasm is the period between early adopters (the technology enthusiasts and the visionaries) and the early majority (otherwise known as the pragmatists).  I don’t know about you, but I see accountants and bookkeepers as pretty pragmatic folk.  And as far as I can see it, these pragmatists are already adopting cloud computing.

That chasm that they talk about was crossed some time ago.  That boat has sailed.  We are now approaching the tipping point – the point at which there is an inevitable mass adoption of cloud accounting, and it is just over the horizon.

With cloud accounting, the question is not if, but how soon.

But ‘cloud’ is not just about the storage of data, or where we work and process information – it is about the connectivity of things.  The cloud facilitates systems connecting with each other, the sharing of information and the accessing of information.  And as cloud-based accountancy software systems develop to allow users, bookkeepers and accountants to add to, access, and use that information more easily and more intuitively, so too do they develop beyond simple data-entry and reporting engines.  They begin to learn from the rules accountants give them.  Accountants are teaching them, and in doing so, accountants are teaching the accountancy software companies how to build a better product.

Accounting software systems are now openly referring to themselves as operating systems linking business units, people and other software applications together.

At events I have attended in the last 6 months Xero and MYOB have both described themselves as an operating system for small business.  Intuit now refers to itself as a ‘provider of business and financial management solutions’ – but couldn’t that description apply to most of (but not all) what an accountancy firm does?  Providing business and financial management solutions.

As accounting software has developed to assist accountants in the preparation of financial records for their clients, we have seen a natural creep into the space of doing it for the accountant, as opposed to helping the accountant do it.  So if accountants simply adopt these cloud systems without changing and adding to the services they offer, what are they going to do with all the spare time they have?  Where else can they add value?  Accountants can’t keep billing the clients the same fee – the clients will realize that that a lot of the work is being done for them as part of the monthly subscription.

Accountants need to expand the services they offer, and to start to understand the opportunities that exist in providing expertise and services through the Add-on ecosystem that is expanding around the core accountancy software products.

For the moment at least, a monthly subscription to an accountancy software package still requires an accountant or bookkeeper to create system rules, validate, to manage exceptions, to evaluate the results and make recommendations.  But for how long?  How long will it be before accountancy software ‘helps’ the accountant to the point of actually doing it for them?  Where to then?  All of a sudden that Add-on ecosystem looks pretty attractive as a source of expertise, and billable services.

In January (2014) Google announced it had paid $750m for a company called DeepMind, specializing in artificial intelligence.  This added to the 5 acquisitions in the space of robotics it made in 2013.

At the same time, IBM announced it was investing a further $1bn in Watson, its artificially intelligent computer, and that it was going to open it up as a development platform in the cloud.
And if you think these systems are a long way off being as clever or as intuitive as a human, then think again.  Three years ago Watson beat the two most successful jeopardy contestants of all time.  In Jeopardy, contestants are read an obscure answer, and they need to work out the question.

It’s not just a Q & A contest, it’s an “Eh?” then a Q contest.

Watson was read the questions at the same pace as the contestants, and it still needed to be first on the buzzer before it could answer.  And just to put this all into perspective, Watson wasn’t connected to the Internet.  It was a stand-alone computer, albeit the size of 10 refrigerators.
Systems such as Watson are already being used to detect biometric readings from patients, and to provide a diagnosis.  Robots are already performing some surgeries instead of humans, once a diagnosis has been agreed.  Computers are now helping doctors, nurses and surgeons.  How long before the computer does it for them?

If Watson was able to beat the best contestants Jeopardy could find, don’t you think that in 20 years from now it could be taught to gather and prepare your financial accounts, prepare tax returns and offer advice?  It’s not open-heart surgery after all.

The future of accounting may not as yet have been written, but it is being written as we speak.  Software engineers working in the field of artificial intelligence and data mining are writing it, but they probably don’t know it.

But this is not just a challenge for accountants; this is as much of a challenge for accountancy software companies.  With the likes of Google and IBM investing heavily in artificial intelligence and data collection, they are building the foundations to create business operating systems that just happen to do accounting stuff brilliantly as well.
The Future of Accounting Software?  Well, that’s for another day.

20 years ago Microsoft (the world’s largest tech company at the time) introduced “auto-fill” into Excel.  Today, invitbox auto-fills your purchase ledger.  And in the next few months BankFeedMe will auto-fill your bank journal.

With that in mind, where do you think auto-fill will be 20 years from now?

Roger is CEO of invitco – Game over for Data-Entry.  invitco is a Sydney based technology company specialising in cloud-based data extraction from system-generated documents.  Its first product invitbox is Xero’s Emerging Add-on of the Year.  Its second product BankFeedMe will be launched in early 2014.
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Slovak Startup Datamolino Bags €500K To Make Accountants’ Lives Less Boring / We turn your invoices into structured electronic documents that can be imported directly into your accounting system.

Natasha Lomas for TechCrunch writes:  Spare a thought for accountants. Slovak startup Datamolino has, by building a platform for SMEs to cut through the tedium of manual data entry of invoices and receipts, and it’s proving to be a lucrative idea — as the b2b startup has just bagged €500,000 ($680K) in seed funding, and is already in discussions for raising a full Series A.

This follows the €40,000 Datamolino received to develop its product during an eight-month incubation period at Wayra’s Central & Eastern Europe Academy, based in Prague.
Datamolino is the first graduate from Wayra Prague to get follow-on funding after participating in the program, which kicked off its first cohort last year. 

Globally, the Telefonica-backed network of incubators has a fairly decent rate — of circa 40% — for graduating startups securing their next tranche of cash. Out of a global total of 174 Wayra graduates, 70 startups have gone on to receive follow on funding, the accelerator confirmed to TechCrunch.

Datamolino’s follow-on funding is being financed by the Slovak Innovations and Technologies Fund (FIT). Founder Andrej Glezl said it will use the money for European expansion, and to see it through from its current closed beta phase to a public beta and then full commercial launch (after May) — with the financing going on things like implementing customer feedback into the product and kicking off online marketing.

It’s also aiming to integrate its system with other relevant SME-targeting b2b software packages to foster further spread. ”There is a huge opportunity to implement [Datamolino] with solutions such as Sage One, Quickbooks, Xero, etc,” he says. “Our product has to go through technical and marketing review with such firms — the seed funding should ensure we can get through that.”

It’s actively working with Telefonica to get its product added to O2 cloud too, which targets the same SME segment of customers — a connection forged via the Wayra link.

Glezl says size of the opportunity Datamolino is targeting is the vast majority (80%) of the 150 billion invoices generated globally each year which are unstructured invoices — i.e. paper, scans and PDFs — as these can be processed by its system to save its customers time (and thus money). 

In Europe the annual figure is 16 billion unstructured invoices globally. And it’s not just paper receipts that are the problem Datamolino is fixing; even e-invoices can cause headaches for accountants if they are generated as PDFs, says Glezl.

“That’s where our services comes in handy — we can turn [a PDF] into a structured document,” he says, adding: “There are very few countries where digitalisation is government driven (e.g. Finland). But most countries end at PDF level of digitisation. And that’s why our service remains very relevant also in the future.”

Bottom line: paper (and PDFs) persist — providing an opportunity for better processing technologies.

Datamolino uses a blend of optical character recognition technology for quickly processing paper, scans and PDF invoices/receipts to cut out the need for accountants and SMEs to do manual data entry.

It also employs human checkers as a service differentiator from competitors in the space — and also a premium upsell to offer the highest data accuracy assurances.

“The key differentiator is in the architecture of our product from the user’s perspective and also the fact that we have a service on top of the software. i.e. if a business want’s to make sure that all data that are extracted with the help of the software are accurate, we have the verification center to support this,” explains Glezl, who argues that this human element makes the service comparable with the in-house invoice processing departments used by large corporations.
Datamolino’s ability to process both invoices and receipts, as well as also tackle scans, also sets it apart from some of its competitors, according to Glezl, who names the main competitors as Shoeboxed, Receipt Bank, Celaton and Invitbox.

Another aspect of its offering is that it securely stores the processed invoices in the cloud, providing a back-up and repository service as part of its b2b sell. “Our product is built primarily so that it is used by accounting professionals,” he adds.

Currently Datamolino has 180 customers as part of its closed beta, and plans to open up a public beta in March — ahead of the full commercial launch later this year.

While European expansion is the initial focus for Datamolino, Glezl also describes LatAm and the U.S. as promising markets. The startup is currently weighing whether to open headquarters in London, to support its expansion plans, or in Brazil or the U.S. — the other possible locations.

Commenting on the funding round in a statement, Rastislav RoÅ¡ko, deputy chair of the FIT board of directors, said: “Datamolino is developing an innovative service that can streamline the administration of any business. Our discussions with Datamolino have satisfied us that they have a first-class team capable of seeing their project through successfully. We are confident that the FIT investment will enable Datamolino to establish itself in EU markets.”
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Outgrown Xero or QuickBooks Online? Consider JCurve, a “NetSuite Lite” (Australia & New Zealand)

Margaret Carey for BoxFree IT writes: When a business outgrows Xero or Intuit’s QuickBooks Online (QBO) what are its options?There are a couple of reasons why entry-level cloud accounting software may no longer be suitable. The company’s business model may have become more sophisticated and new requirements can only be addressed using add-on software. Or the number of transactions in connected bank accounts are above 1,000 per month, or the number of suppliers and customers passes 5,000 (Xero’s respective limits).  Click Here To Visit J Curve.
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One solution that handles these limits and more is the simplified version of NetSuite provided by Australian partner JCurve. The cloud accounting app JCurve is reasonably new and is promoted as a stepping stone to the full blown Netsuite platform which is used to run multi-national companies. The transition from the accounting app to NetSuite is seamless, so a business should never need to change accounting programs no matter how large it grows.
 
JCurve has potential to support both business growth and the need for more comprehensive functionality because NetSuite is an all-in-one ERP platform (ERP stands for enterprise resource planning). As well as standard accounting features it supports a complete CRM (customer relationship management database), an e-commerce site, advanced inventory, point-of-sale, etc. It virtually eliminates the need for add-on programs often required by less featured apps such as Xero and QuickBooks Online.
So would I recommend JCurve? I think this solution does have potential.
I signed up for the 45-day free trial to evaluate JCurve as a solution for the small businesses that are pushing the boundaries of Xero and QBO.
 
It took me a while to become comfortable with finding my way around the software but probably no more so than any other product. The dashboard was virtually infinitely customisable with just about every imaginable widget available which was good. I also liked the customisable task bar at the top where I could place shortcuts to frequently used functions for speedy access.
 
A comprehensive setup wizard is helpful as JCurve can be a little complex – but the initial setup is always the most complicated part of any new software implementation.
JCurve can import CSV files for customers, suppliers, items and chart of accounts but the apparent lack of a sample file to structure the import meant I went through a few attempts. I later discovered default templates in the Help section but they were only available for customers, suppliers and items, but not the chart of accounts. DIY novices beware!
After that it was reasonably plain sailing. Even from the initial setup it was evident that JCurve was a serious ERP. There was a lot of functionality included that was frequently missing or limited in entry-level software.
  • It has basic functionality such as default payment terms and credit limits that I have sorely missed in Xero (QBO has default payment terms).

  • There is a choice of FIFO (first in, first out) or average cost at the item level in inventory – at this stage I don’t know what costing methodology Xero will use when its inventory module is released but QBO just has FIFO.

  • There is a choice of department, class and location categorisation on transactions with the option of one of each per transaction or one per line with the further option to make each Mandatory or Warning. (I found the mandatory option was unworkable as it was an all or nothing proposition. I would not normally want to classify transactions like cash receipts from customer and bank transfers.)

  • Comprehensive user roles enabled very granular definition of user access. I find both Xero and QBO too limited.

  • There is an incredibly comprehensive set of reports all of which could be customised and the format saved for future use (also available in QBO).

  • There is a transaction date and a posting date for each transaction. This is so good and sorely missed in entry-level software. In other programs, if I have completed my December accounts and receive a late supplier invoice for December without a posting date, I need to record it as January.

  • I could click a link to see the general ledger postings on every transaction. This is probably something that only excites accountants but I do miss this in Xero and QBO. I could also arrow backwards and forwards between transactions – love that. These features are both in the desktop version of Reckon Accounts (formerly QuickBooks).
Other features I also appreciated:
  • Account numbers were optional (also in QBO)

  • Sales and purchase orders (both in QBO), CRM, E-Commerce

  • I could rename transaction types so for example a bill can be named “supplier invoice” which makes the user interface more friendly.

  • On both supplier and customer invoices I could use either an item or a general ledger account (available in Xero but not for customer invoices in QBO).

  • There is a default general ledger account against a supplier. This is great for data entry consistency. It is partially present in QBO and Xero as they can remember previous transactions.
I did encounter some challenges and some dislikes along the way:
  • Response times, especially when saving transactions, were poor.

  • The naming convention for tax codes was so user unfriendly it would daunt all but the most intrepid. (To think I complained about Saasu tax coding.)

  • Bank feeds are only available via Yodlee. No partner banks appeared to be available.

  • Setting tax periods. Mine kept being set to calendar year not fiscal year and I was unable to change unless I deleted all entered transactions.

  • Customising the customer invoice wasn’t as flexible as I would have liked and I couldn’t resize the logo.

  • Make Deposits function doesn’t allow for recording a tax code (same limitation in QBO). It is needed to record the refund of worker’s compensation and similar events.

  • Doing a look-up on the chart of accounts when entering transactions such as supplier or customer invoice didn’t display the account type and it wasn’t context friendly. It didn’t display income accounts for a customer invoice and expense accounts for a supplier invoice.

  • I couldn’t easily see how I could indicate on a supplier invoice that the amount included or excluded GST.

  • The layout of the customer invoice screen gave plenty of real estate to the header but very limited for the lines. This compares very unfavourably to the clear layouts of both Xero and

  • And the biggest disappointment – multi-currency is only available in the Advanced (NetSuite) version. This is very much a limiting factor as most small businesses I work with need multi currency either in suppliers or customers and having to go to the full NetSuite product means there is no set-up wizard etc.

I didn’t explore the payroll module in detail, mainly because reviewing payroll is always a very time consuming task. Suffice to say it looked as though it covered all major functionality for Australian payroll. There was an employee portal which is now an industry standard.
I couldn’t find any evidence that JCurve was SBR-enabled which means no automatic links into the ATO Portal. Xero has led the accounting software world in embedding links to the ATO although QBO can now do this using a third-party program, GovReports.
 
Pricing starts at $49 per user per month (including one external accountant user and five restricted employee users). Given that this is a product you would probably only use if you had outgrown entry-level cloud software, I would expect most businesses would require at least 3 standard users so it is definitely more expensive than Xero or QBO with their unlimited user plans (Xero’s plans are tiered on number of employees).
 
However, given the comprehensive nature of the product, most businesses probably wouldn’t require add-on software which is where the cost of a Xero or QBO solution can multiply.
 
So would I recommend JCurve? I think this solution does have potential. There were quite a few things that I didn’t like and especially the response times and lack of multi-currency is a concern.
 
But overall it looks to be a solid product that should support both business growth and more complex business models under the one umbrella. Hopefully future releases will address some of the usability issues bringing a dynamic all-in-one solution for growing businesses.
This is an edited version of a post that appeared on the Cloud Accounting Buzz blog.
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"Turbo Tax or Tax Act....can't decide which one I should go with.."

Over at Bogleheads we came across the following discussion:

Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby jay22 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:10 am

Forgive me for asking this naive question. This is the first time I am doing my own taxes using Turbo Tax or Tax Act (can't decide which one I should go with). I only have W2, 1099-INT and 1099-DIV to be taken care of. tIRA and standard deductions, no mortgage, kids etc. Do I really need anything other the basic version for either TT or TA? I don't see any benefit of going with the deluxe version, or am I missing anything?
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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby 2beachcombers » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:52 am

jay22 wrote:Forgive me for asking this naive question. This is the first time I am doing my own taxes using Turbo Tax or Tax Act (can't decide which one I should go with). I only have W2, 1099-INT and 1099-DIV to be taken care of. tIRA and standard deductions, no mortgage, kids etc. Do I really need anything other the basic version for either TT or TA? I don't see any benefit of going with the deluxe version, or am I missing anything?




See this thread; Need Delux desk top for Sch D on TT; Premier for Sch D TT online; and I have been unable to import div data to Taxact.
Doing you own taxes is complex(and the most complex is the software nuances of each company) at first but you will eventually be very happy you did and will find it a snap;


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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby pshonore » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:58 am

2beachcombers wrote:
jay22 wrote:Forgive me for asking this naive question. This is the first time I am doing my own taxes using Turbo Tax or Tax Act (can't decide which one I should go with). I only have W2, 1099-INT and 1099-DIV to be taken care of. tIRA and standard deductions, no mortgage, kids etc. Do I really need anything other the basic version for either TT or TA? I don't see any benefit of going with the deluxe version, or am I missing anything?




See this thread; Need Delux desk top for Sch D on TT; Premier for Sch D TT online; and I have been unable to import div data to Taxact.
Doing you own taxes is complex(and the most complex is the software nuances of each company) at first but you will eventually be very happy you did and will find it a snap;


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That is not correct. All desktop versions of TT products handle all forms.
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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby kenyan » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:07 pm

If you plan to file a state return online, I think that TaxAct is a no-brainer over TurboTax. Locked in a discount in December and got the TaxAct Ultimate federal + state bundle for $11-12. TT state costs $40, plus whatever you spend on federal.
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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby Toons » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:24 pm

kenyan wrote:If you plan to file a state return online, I think that TaxAct is a no-brainer over TurboTax. Locked in a discount in December and got the TaxAct Ultimate federal + state bundle for $11-12. TT state costs $40, plus whatever you spend on federal.



+1 TaxAct ,If you get the deluxe as mentioned prior year information will be imported the next year.
Cost substantially less
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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby jay22 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:26 pm

I don't need to file Schedule D since I didn't sell anything in 2013. Which is why I was wondering if the basic will do just fine for what I am trying to do.
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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby Toons » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:35 pm

jay22 wrote:I don't need to file Schedule D since I didn't sell anything in 2013. Which is why I was wondering if the basic will do just fine for what I am trying to do.



TaxAct has a free version federal including efile,state is extra if you choose it.



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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby pshonore » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:02 pm

jay22 wrote:I don't need to file Schedule D since I didn't sell anything in 2013. Which is why I was wondering if the basic will do just fine for what I am trying to do.


To answer your question, Basic desktop version will do just fine. It wll do any personal tax return you can throw at it.
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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby jay22 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:06 pm

pshonore wrote:
jay22 wrote:I don't need to file Schedule D since I didn't sell anything in 2013. Which is why I was wondering if the basic will do just fine for what I am trying to do.


To answer your question, Basic desktop version will do just fine. It wll do any personal tax return you can throw at it.


Thanks. I am assuming the online version works the same way as well?
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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby Toons » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:12 pm

jay22 wrote:
pshonore wrote:
jay22 wrote:I don't need to file Schedule D since I didn't sell anything in 2013. Which is why I was wondering if the basic will do just fine for what I am trying to do.


To answer your question, Basic desktop version will do just fine. It wll do any personal tax return you can throw at it.


Thanks. I am assuming the online version works the same way as well?



Yes the TaxACT software is identical whether purchased via download,cd,or online.TaxAct sells one version sold in 3 ways
Free Federal
Deluxe Federal(state additional)
Ultimate Bundle(Federal +State)


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Re: Turbo Tax/Tax Act - Basic versionby pshonore » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:14 pm

jay22 wrote:I don't need to file Schedule D since I didn't sell anything in 2013. Which is why I was wondering if the basic will do just fine for what I am trying to do.


To answer your question, Basic desktop version will do just fine. It wll do any personal tax return you can throw at it.
jay22 wrote:
pshonore wrote:
jay22 wrote:I don't need to file Schedule D since I didn't sell anything in 2013. Which is why I was wondering if the basic will do just fine for what I am trying to do.


To answer your question, Basic desktop version will do just fine. It wll do any personal tax return you can throw at it.


Thanks. I am assuming the online version works the same way as well?
No it does not. No Sched D, no Sched C for example, but it should be ok for what you've told us you have.



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