Saturday, July 6, 2013

Doing Well by Giving It Away / If you're looking for a way to ease the impact of the new 3.8% tax on investment income, charity could be the answer.

Kelly Greene for the Wall St. Journal writes:  If you're looking for a way to ease the impact of the new 3.8% tax on investment income, charity could be the answer.


The new tax, which took effect Jan. 1 after being passed by Congress in 2010 to help fund the health-care overhaul, applies to the net investment income of most individuals with more than $200,000 in adjusted gross income and married couples filing joint tax returns with more than $250,000.
Only investment income, including dividends, interest and capital gains, above those thresholds is taxed. The 3.8% rate comes on top of other taxes owed.
Congressional researchers and a number of think tanks estimate that 3.5 million families could get hit with the additional levy this year, with the number expected to double to seven million within a decade.
To get around the tax whammy, you could set up a "charitable-remainder trust" with an asset that has escalated in value—such as a vacation home, highly appreciated stock or artwork—and receive annual payments. Whatever is left when you die goes to the nonprofit group of your choice.
Once the property is in the trust, the trust can sell it without triggering the 3.8% tax or any regular income tax. Payments made to the trust's beneficiary—either yourself or another person—would be subject to any tax owed for investment income, but they likely would be made in smaller amounts and stretched over a longer time period.
Households with investment income subject to the new levy generally are either retirees who live largely off their investments or families with a windfall from a property sale, inheritance or another asset transfer, says Richard Fox, a partner at Philadelphia law firm Dilworth Paxson, where he heads the philanthropic and nonprofit practice.
The strategy could keep the income of families in such situations below the thresholds that trigger the new tax—or at least spread the tax across decades, rather than being hit with it all at once, he says.
Tax pros are bracing for a wave of clients who are unpleasantly surprised by the new levy. Already, Mr. Fox has worked with a family who put their New York condominium, worth "a few million dollars," into a charitable-remainder trust specifically to sidestep the 3.8% levy, he says.
"More and more people are discovering this is a big tax they hadn't really anticipated," says Robert Napier, an estate-planning partner at law firm Harrison & Held in Chicago.
He is steering more clients toward the trusts to keep assets from triggering the new tax—after shunning the strategy for more than a decade. "In the 1990s, in one year alone I built 35 charitable-remainder trusts, because tax rates were higher," Mr. Napier says. Then, from 2000 to 2012, he helped terminate more charitable-remainder trusts than he built.
"Now, the pendulum has swung again because the rates are higher," he says. "If your marginal rates are pushing 50%, why not do what you can to defer income until the pendulum swings back?"
But the strategy can be tricky. If you are considering using it to mitigate the investment-income tax, here are some things to keep in mind.
Would you make a donation anyway?
If you aren't already "philanthropically inclined," this might not be the right strategy for you, Mr. Fox says. If, going forward, you are bothered by the idea of a charity getting money rather than your children, then the move isn't worth it.
But increasing numbers of older Americans are indeed choosing to give away a portion of their wealth. In the upper echelons, for example, more than 100 billionaires have signed the "Giving Pledge" campaign started by Warren Buffett and Bill Gates three years ago.
If you decide to donate property to a trust, make sure you do so before putting the asset up for sale. Otherwise, the Internal Revenue Service could disqualify any tax savings.
Pick the right tool.
For people looking to liquidate a highly appreciated asset worth as little as $25,000, buying a "charitable gift annuity"—with which you make a donation to a nonprofit in exchange for lifetime fixed annuity payments—would be a lower-cost alternative.
For a charitable-remainder trust to make sense, the asset funding it should be worth at least $1 million. "You have to set up the trust, and you may need an appraisal for what you're contributing," Mr. Fox says.
So-called charitable lead trusts also are popular among the ultrarich. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis famously set one up for her children, although they wound up eventually unwinding the plan.
With a lead trust, payments go to charity each year, and what is left at the end of the trust's term goes to the heirs, typically children or grandchildren.
The advantage of the lead trusts is that they can shift investment income to the charity, which isn't subject to the tax, from the trust itself.
Take the payments on time and for the right amount.
Charitable-remainder trusts set up as annuities have to pay out a set amount each year, at least 5% of the trust's initial value. When set up as so-called unitrusts, the vehicles pay out a set percentage of the present value, also at least 5%, which means payments can fluctuate depending on the underlying investment's performance.
Sometimes, trustees mistakenly pay the same amount each year out of unitrusts—or forget to make the payments at all. "It could disqualify your trust," Mr. Fox says. "It's very important to make sure you have a lawyer, accountant or trustee who's familiar with these things. You don't want them blowing up on you."
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Investing Advice for Newlyweds / Do you promise to work on your future finances as a team? We do.

Newlyweds typically have invested countless hours to have their dream wedding. But they often don't spend enough time planning financial investments for their future together.
Couples who get educated about investing, set goals and understand their risk tolerance can increase their chances not only of being able to afford another honeymoon one day, but also of wanting to spend it with each other.
Gregory Aloia advises newlyweds to obtain some basic investment knowledge by taking an adult-education course or reading books on the subject as a couple. This will help them become better investors and tune out some of the well-meaning but potentially damaging investing advice they get from family and friends or an unscrupulous adviser, says the Philadelphia financial planner.
But knowing the investment ropes isn't enough. Couples also need to understand their own finances and each other. They can start by identifying the sources of funds they could invest, such as wedding gifts, an inheritance or excess cash flow, Mr. Aloia says. And to identify their excess cash flow, they'll need to first understand how they spend their money on a month-to-month basis.
On a broader scale, Mr. Aloia encourages couples to share their "money stories" and discover what attitudes about money and investing they bring to the marriage. "Those attitudes can affect your decision-making regarding investments," he says.
Down to Specifics
With all that knowledge in hand, newlyweds can start salting away cash. Ben Barzideh, a wealth adviser at Piershale Financial Group in Crystal Lake, Ill., says couples should establish an emergency fund that would cover three to six months of expenses, which could be held in a liquid money-market account. He then recommends that couples put at least 10% to 15% of their combined gross income into an investment account and/or savings account such as a 401(k).

Couples should set specific investment goals and spell out how they might achieve them, Mr. Aloia says. For example, if they are saving for retirement and want to reduce their income taxes, they may want to make use of tax-favored vehicles such as individual retirement accounts and 401(k) plans, he says.
For any goal, couples should look to match their investments to the time frame of what they hope to achieve, says Ron Florance, managing director of investment strategy at Wells Fargo Private Bank in Scottsdale, Ariz. "If you're saving for a house down payment in the next three years, don't invest aggressively and hope for a nice run," he says. That's taking too much risk.
Rather, a couple may want to invest in certificates of deposit that can earn a higher interest rate than their checking account for short-term goals, suggests Annrose Isaac, a financial planner in Westwood, N.J.
For goals that will take five years or more, Tracy Burke, a financial planner in Harrisburg, Pa., recommends couples invest in a "diversified mix of stock and bond low-cost index mutual funds representing broad U.S. and international markets."
In This Together
Whatever their goals, newlyweds should consider their combined investment accounts as the "family portfolio" rather than as a set of individual accounts, Ms. Burke says. Doing so can help them achieve the desired balance and diversity more easily.
Communication is critical. When a couple Alan Moore knows got married, the wife turned all of the investing responsibilities over to her new husband, only to later learn he had invested their entire portfolio in equities. When the market took a downturn, she lost sleep and demanded they move entirely into cash.
"Newlyweds need to talk about their risk tolerance," says Mr. Moore, a financial planner in Milwaukee. He was able to convince the wife not to sell out of the market completely, but reduced the amount of stocks in her retirement account to move it in line with her risk tolerance.
Couples should also be sure to update the beneficiaries on their retirement plans and insurance, says Mr. Barzideh. "We have seen more estate plans get wrecked because people were careless with their beneficiary designations," he says.
And while it is common for couples to have one spouse act as the money manager, it is extremely important that both are aware of the couple's investments so they're not left in the dark if they divorce or a spouse dies, says Judith Ward, a Baltimore financial planner for T. Rowe Price Group.
"Even if it's not your interest, you have to know what's going on," she says.
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Friday, July 5, 2013

What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

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What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?


What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Chicago60 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:45 pm
My company ended its profit sharing plan last year (I rolled over the funds into my IRA after years of Back Door Roths), and no longer has any retirement accounts available. If I am in or near the highest income bracket, what options, if any, do I have to set aside money in a tax advantaged account? We already fully funded I-Bonds and with a substantial IRA account, adding non deductible money to the IRA does not make sense for me for the administrative hassle once I start withdrawing.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Electron » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:52 pm
You might want to consider taxable equity investments with a focus on tax efficiency. Many index funds have low turnover and there are also tax managed funds. There are tax breaks for qualified dividends and capital gains.

Since future tax rates are not known in advance, it may make sense to hedge and use both taxable and tax-deferred accounts. The same argument applies to Traditional IRAs and whether a Roth Conversion will ultimately pay off.

Municipal bonds could be considered on the fixed income side. If you are concerned about rising rates, individual bonds can be held to maturity.

One could also evaluate tax deferred variable annuities holding mutual funds.
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Postby grabiner » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:35 am
Chicago60 wrote:My company ended its profit sharing plan last year (I rolled over the funds into my IRA after years of Back Door Roths), and no longer has any retirement accounts available. If I am in or near the highest income bracket, what options, if any, do I have to set aside money in a tax advantaged account? We already fully funded I-Bonds and with a substantial IRA account, adding non deductible money to the IRA does not make sense for me for the administrative hassle once I start withdrawing.


If neither you nor your spouse is covered by an employer plan, you can both make deductible IRA contributions regardless of your income.

If you have more to invest than that, then it is probably best to buy stock index funds in your taxable account; they are not tax-advantaged in the same sense as IRAs, but they do produce low tax bills.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Bob's not my name » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:15 am
From your prior post it looks like your spouse could continue to do backdoor Roths without the complication of an existing pre-tax IRA. However, since you are in a high bracket and eligible for deductible TIRA contributions, that looks more attractive ($13,000/year given your ages). In Illinois it's also possible to do a state-deductible back door Roth (see viewtopic.php?f=10&t=86262 ), but I don't think that's attractive in the 35% federal bracket* -- you can enjoy the Illinois exemption on retirement income later.

*It's worse than that. Under the ATRA rules the 35% bracket is pretty narrow. You are subject to the 0.9% ACA tax on wages (not avoidable), the 3.8% ACA tax on investment income, the ATRA exemption phaseout (1% per dependent), the ATRA itemized deduction phaseout (1%), and possibly the 20% ATRA rate on LTCG and QD and the 39.6% rate on other income. The deductible TIRAs allow you to avoid about $6,000 in taxes.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Chicago60 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:51 am
Thanks, Bob (though I suppose that is not your name). Already did spouse's backdoor Roth. And I had to "undo" my backdoor Roth last year. Adding an after tax contribution of $6500 (which I did in January 2012) to an IRA that now has substantial assets in before tax contributions made no sense to me as noted above due to the administrative hassle once I start mandatory withdrawals. As for the other responses, I very much appreciate the time you took to post, but the posts did not answer the question.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Bob's not my name » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:01 am
Chicago60 wrote:As for the other responses, I very much appreciate the time you took to post, but the posts did not answer the question.
This didn't?
grabiner wrote:If neither you nor your spouse is covered by an employer plan, you can both make deductible IRA contributions regardless of your income.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Chicago60 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:05 am
I stand corrected....that portion of the reply did.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Bob's not my name » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:17 am
And in my post I'm pointing out that the backdoor Roth you already did for your wife is actually deductible. For federal purposes, that gets you nothing because you pay the tax at conversion, but thanks to Illinois tax law you made an immediate 5.3% return. In your bracket I wouldn't bother to convert, but that's your choice.
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Postby Electron » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:37 pm
Bob's not my name wrote:For federal purposes, that gets you nothing because you pay the tax at conversion, but thanks to Illinois tax law you made an immediate 5.3% return.

Thanks for the excellent research on the backdoor Roth conversions for each state. The 5.3% return is a nice extra but I believe it also comes with additional tax obligation in the future.

Chicago60 - The variable annuity that I mentioned is a tax advantaged account. Expenses can be quite low. Here is one example.

https://investor.vanguard.com/what-we-o ... retirement

Lastly, it is worth thinking about RMDs after age 70.5. The withdrawal percentage rises every year, and depending on the return in the account the taxable withdrawals can increase in dollar amount for many years before declining.

The RMD percentage starts out at 3.65% and hits 5.35% at age 80. The percentage is 8.77% at age 90 and it eventually levels off at 52.63%. Those with one or more accounts subject to RMDs can wind up with significant withdrawals and taxes to be paid for many years. It is all ordinary income and may push one into a relatively high tax bracket.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Bob's not my name » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:42 pm
Electron wrote:The 5.3% return is a nice extra but I believe it also comes with additional tax obligation in the future.
How so?
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Bob's not my name » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:44 pm
Electron wrote:The percentage is 8.77% at age 90.
A lot of people at that age are in assisted living, the cost of which is deductible, placing them in the 0% bracket even if they have a six figure income. I managed the finances of a wealthy elderly person who had enough headroom in the 0% bracket to convert all IRAs to Roth at that tax rate. Zero is a low rate. The Roth IRA was then inherited.

As is discussed often here, early retirement (<70 today, perhaps <75 in the near future) is also a great opportunity to convert to Roth at a low tax rate.

Retirees are generally in very low brackets.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Electron » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:23 pm
Bob's not my name wrote:
Electron wrote:The 5.3% return is a nice extra but I believe it also comes with additional tax obligation in the future.

How so?

I assumed that a deductible IRA contribution for purposes of the state tax affects the IRA basis for the state and future taxation. Maybe that is incorrect.

In California there are some interesting complications for IRAs. One has to keep track of 1982-86 basis as that is withdrawn first before any state taxes are paid on withdrawals. IRA basis may also be different for the purposes of Federal and California income taxes.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Bob's not my name » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:30 pm
No, the state taxes neither withdrawal nor conversion. If you contribute to a TIRA, convert it to a Roth IRA, and later withdraw from the Roth, Illinois taxes none of those transactions. If instead you contribute directly to a Roth IRA, you are taxed on that transaction.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby Chicago60 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:53 pm
Thanks for those thoughts.
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Re: What tax advantaged accounts may I invest in, if any?

Postby grabiner » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:25 pm
Electron wrote:
Bob's not my name wrote:
Electron wrote:The 5.3% return is a nice extra but I believe it also comes with additional tax obligation in the future.

How so?

I assumed that a deductible IRA contribution for purposes of the state tax affects the IRA basis for the state and future taxation. Maybe that is incorrect.

In California there are some interesting complications for IRAs. One has to keep track of 1982-86 basis as that is withdrawn first before any state taxes are paid on withdrawals. IRA basis may also be different for the purposes of Federal and California income taxes.


Other states also have odd rules; check with your state tax bureau. For example, NJ does not allow a deduction for IRA contributions, so all IRAs (except rollovers from deductible 401(k)s) are treated as non-deductible for NJ tax purposes. This makes Roth IRAs more attractive in NJ, particularly if you might retire in another state and thus get no benefit from the NJ basis.
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