Monday, January 27, 2014

How Much, If Anything, Should You Invest in Your 401(k)? / Deciding how much to deploy revolves around your own choice set: asset allocation, tax situation, and your other options.

Christine Benz for MorningStar writes: Successful stock investors think of themselves as business owners: They want to own companies that have defensible franchises--or moats--and they want to own them at the right prices.


The concept of business ownership is useful when it comes to your household's financial management, too. As with managing a business, your guiding principle should be to deploy any investable assets into those opportunities that promise the highest rate of return and steer clear of investments that don't.


One of the first major capital-allocation decisions confronting many investors is how much to steer toward their 401(k)s (or 403(b)s or 457s, depending on their type of employer). The vehicle carries many advantages, including potential employer matching contributions, tax benefits, and perhaps most significantly, a fairly painless and disciplined way to save for retirement.


Yet maxing out a 401(k) isn't necessarily the best use of everyone's cash. The decision about whether to do so depends on your own personal choice set. Answering the following questions, in roughly the same sequence, can help you arrive at the right solution.


Do you have high-interest consumer debt? 
If yes, paying it off as soon as possible is the right answer, as your investments are unlikely to out-earn the interest rate. If no, investing in a 401(k) or other retirement vehicle looks like a good bet.


Are you receiving matching funds on your 401(k) contributions? 
If so, contributing enough to the 401(k) to meet the match is an obvious answer. If not, you're better off seeking other options--such as investing in an IRA--for any investable dollars above what you need to contribute to earn the match.


How good is the 401(k) plan? 
If it's a solid plan with very low costs, you can safely use your 401(k) as your main investing vehicle. If it's lousy and you're not earning matching funds, you have good reason to invest outside of the plan, either in an IRA or even within a taxable account.


Are you able to obtain comparable tax benefits by investing outside of the 401(k)--for example, in a traditional deductible or Roth IRA?
If similar tax-efficiency characteristics can be simulated in an IRA--for example, if your 401(k) is weak but you can contribute to a deductible IRA--that argues against maxing out the 401(k).


How much do you need the discipline?
Be honest. If you're not a disciplined saver, the ability to automate your contributions, as is easy to do in a 401(k), can make it a sensible retirement vehicle, even if your particular plan isn't best of breed.


How much money do you have to invest? 
If you're in a position to make the maximum allowable contribution to an IRA and a 401(k), and perhaps to invest in a taxable account to boot, that's a good argument for taking full advantage of tax-sheltered vehicles, even if your 401(k) has shortcomings.


What sort of asset allocation do you expect to maintain? What's your investing time horizon? 
If it's particularly mild-mannered and your projected returns are pretty low, debt paydown--even of fairly low-interest mortgage debt--is often a better strategy than investing in the market, because your debt-retirement return is guaranteed. Moreover, the shorter the time horizon, the less one will tend to benefit from saving inside of a tax-sheltered account.


Do you have any other debt--mortgage debt or student loans, for example? Are you earning a tax deduction on your interest? Are you paying private mortgage insurance? 
Earning a tax deduction makes prepaying the debt, provided the interest rate is moderate, less urgent. Paying PMI, on the other hand, makes it a bigger priority to pay down the mortgage to the point that you can get rid of that extra PMI expense.


Are you apt to be in a higher tax bracket today than in the future, or vice versa? 
The former situation argues for making deductible contributions to both IRAs and 401(k)s, because the tax break is more valuable today than it will be in the future. Roth contributions, by contrast, are preferable if you think you'll be in a higher tax bracket in the future. Splitting contributions between both account types makes sense if you're not sure.
Let's look at a few sample scenarios to see how all of these factors come together in practice:

Example 1: A 28-year-old investor comes out of grad school and lands his first job. He researches his new employer's 401(k) plan and finds that he'll pay 0.60% per year in administrative costs, and most funds charge at least 1.25% to boot. His employer is matching him on contributions of up to 3% of his $25,000 salary. He also has $11,000 in credit card debt at an interest rate of 17.9%.


Capital Allocation Strategy: In this instance, his best bet is to steer 3% of his salary into the 401(k) plan to earn any employer matching contributions, because he'd be hard-pressed to earn a 100% return on his money anywhere else. After that, he should turn his attention to wiping out his credit card debt, because the return on his investments will never beat that kind of APR, at least not year after year. If he still has money to invest after tackling those two tasks, he can think about contributing to a Roth IRA, which gives him a lower-cost avenue to retirement savings than his 401(k) affords him.


Example 2: A 45-year-old IT specialist earning a salary of $170,000 can steer about $30,000 per year toward her retirement savings. Her company retirement plan doesn't offer any matching contributions, but nor does it have any administrative expenses, and it features a suite of ultra-low-cost index funds. Her 401(k) plan also enables her to make Roth contributions. She has a high risk tolerance and capacity, typically holding about 80% of her portfolio in stocks, and has already amassed a $1.2 million retirement nest egg in her traditional 401(k). Her sole debt is a $90,000 mortgage on a condo; it carries an interest rate of 3.25%.

Capital Allocation Strategy: Given the large amount this investor can sock away each year, she'd do well to take advantage of all of the tax-saving vehicles she has available to her. Thus, even though this investor isn't earning matching contributions, making the maximum allowable contribution to the Roth option in her 401(k) makes sense. She can then make a full Roth IRA contribution after that (using a "backdoor Roth IRA"), and invest any additional monies in tax-friendly investments inside of a taxable brokerage account. Steering new contributions to Roth rather than traditional retirement accounts will help her build a tax-diversified cash flow in retirement, since she already has significant assets in her traditional 401(k). Prepaying her mortgage isn't a huge priority given that she's likely to out-earn her interest rate over time with her aggressively positioned portfolio; she may also be receiving a small tax break on her mortgage interest deduction.

Example 3: A 62-year-old health-care professional earning $45,000 per year hopes to retire within the next five to seven years. Her 401(k) plan offers a matching contribution, but the investment options are only so-so. She has amassed some assets for retirement in conservative funds held within a rollover IRA and in her 401(k), but expects that Social Security will fund a big share of her modest living expenses once she retires. She has about $30,000 left on her 4% mortgage and looks forward to the day when she won't have much in the way of housing expenses.

Capital Allocation Strategy: Here again, funding the 401(k) up to the amount she needs to contribute to earn the match is a good first step. Steering any additional investment assets to pay down the mortgage looks like a smart next move, particularly given that she's close to retirement, her mortgage interest deduction isn't likely saving her a lot of money, and she's unlikely to out-earn her mortgage interest rate on her conservatively positioned investments.
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Tax Statements You Need to File : Common income, deduction statements

Kay Bell for Fox / Bankrate.com writes:  Statements are on the way from employers, banks, stockbrokers and other institutions and agencies that were involved in taxpayers' financial lives last year. Each of these groups has, by law, until Jan. 31 (or the next business day when that date falls on a holiday or a weekend) to get their annual tax statements in the mail to you.
Many taxpayers now receive these documents electronically. So be sure to double-check your email, not just the curbside mailbox, for these statements.

Common income, deduction statements

Most taxpayers depend on the same basic data to file returns. If you work for someone else, the Internal Revenue Service expects you, and the agency, to get a statement detailing that income. The data are slightly different, depending on whether you get paid a salary or do contract work, but there's a form for either case.

W-2 -- This is the key form, and you need one from each employer you worked for during the past year. Your W-2 shows how much money you made, how much income tax was withheld, Social Security and Medicare taxes paid, and any benefit contributions -- retirement plans, medical accounts and child care reimbursement plans.

1098 -- For most homeowners, mortgage interest is tax-deductible, and this document will tell you how much you paid last year. Your lender is required to send you one of these forms if you paid at least $600 interest. Actually, your mortgage company probably won't send you an official IRS form, but a document of its own design that contains the same data. In addition to the mortgage interest, other information often found on this statement includes amounts paid toward points to get the loan and escrow disbursements for real estate taxes (also deductible) and property insurance (not deductible).

1098-E -- Are you paying back a student loan? The interest on your educational debt is reported on this form; your lender must send you one if the interest tally is at least $600. You may be able to deduct your student loan interest and possibly other loan-related amounts, such as origination fees and capitalized interest. To figure the deductible portion of the interest amount found here, use the work sheet in your Form 1040 or Form 1040A instructions.

1099-INT -- If you earned more than $10 in interest on a bank account or a certificate of deposit, you'll get one of these forms for each account. Don't dismiss this statement if you reinvested the interest. Tax law says you received the income even if you didn't actually have it in your hand, and reinvested earnings are still taxable income. 1099-INT statements also are issued to people who cashed in savings bonds.

1099-DIV -- Earnings from individual stocks and mutual funds are reported on Form 1099-DIV. This will show dividends and capital gains distributed over $10. As with reinvested interest, if you used the dividends or distributions to buy additional shares of the stock or mutual fund, you still have to pay taxes. However, the distributions and certain, qualified dividends are taxed at the lower capital gains rates.

1099-B -- If you sold stocks, bonds or mutual funds, you will receive a 1099-B from your broker or mutual fund company. This will tell you the number of shares sold, when they sold and the amount you got for the sale. You'll need this information, along with the date you bought the shares and the amount you paid for them, to figure your taxes. Since 2011, brokers have been providing information on the basis (the cost of an asset plus some adjustments) of sold stock.

1099-G -- Taxpayers who got a refund of state or local taxes last year will get this form. If you used those taxes as a deduction on your previous year's federal income tax return, you'll need to report the 1099-G amount on this year's return. You don't have to worry about reporting this refund as income, however, if you took the standard federal deduction instead of itemizing.

1099-K -- If you received payments via credit or debit cards or from third-party payment processors, such as PayPal, Amazon and eBay, you might receive a 1099-K reporting those amounts. There are triggers for amounts ($20,000) and number of transactions (200), so not every person who receives such payments will get a 1099-K. This income, however, is taxable and should be reported even without issuance of a 1099-K. The new statement is an attempt to get more information on such payments to the Internal Revenue Service.

1099-R -- If you received a pension or a distribution from an individual retirement account or retirement plan, the 1099-R provides the details of these transactions. The form is issued by your broker, pension plan manager or mutual fund company. You'll also get a 1099-R if you rolled over money in a retirement plan, usually a 401(k) to an IRA, or if you converted a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. A rollover usually is not a taxable event, but a pension payout may be.

1099-MISC -- Self-employed individuals who earned $600 or more should get a 1099-MISC from the employer. You should get a separate 1099-MISC for each independent job you had during the previous tax year.

Late-arriving forms
There are a couple of statements you might need for your tax records, but because of the intricacies of the financial arrangements they cover, the documents do not always arrive before the April filing deadline. But if you get an extension to file, you shouldn't have any issues.

Form 5498 -- Any contributions made during the calendar year to any individual retirement accounts are reported on this form. The 5498 shows traditional IRA contributions that might be deductible on your tax return, as well as any rollovers, including a direct rollover to a traditional IRA, made during the last tax year. It also reports amounts recharacterized from one type of IRA to another. It notes any amounts converted from a traditional IRA, simplified employee pension or savings incentive match plan for employees to a Roth IRA.

Form 5498-ESA -- Contributions to Coverdell education savings accounts, formerly known as Education IRAs, previously were reported on Form 5498, but these plans now are tracked on this statement. The youngster named as account beneficiary should get a copy of this document by April 30.

Schedule K-1 -- Finally, if you received money from an estate, trust, partnership or S corporation last year, you should get a Schedule K-1. However, because of the complexity of many of these arrangements, account managers tend to send out K-1s later in the tax season -- sometimes not until after the April filing deadline.


Because you do need to know this amount of K-1 income to file your return, taxpayers who get K-1s tend to file Form 4868, Application for Automatic Extension of Time to File, to get six more months to get all their tax statements in hand.
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The 4 Dark Clouds Hovering Over Cloud Accounting Software

 Frank Stitely, CPA for Stitely & Karstetter PLLC / CPA Trendlines writes: Cloud accounting software revolutionizes our relationships with our clients, enhancing our ability to provide real-time and forward-looking tax and accounting services. At the recently concluded Sleeter Conference in Las Vegas, cloud vendors promised zero data entry, the editing of transactions in spreadsheet format and seamless integration with best of breed third-party applications.
They didn’t mention, however, that their programmers redefine accounting principles by sacrificing sound internal control at the ease of use altar. Before launching your clients into the accounting cloud, evaluate the risks currently ignored by many, if not most, cloud vendors.
Risk #1: Zero data entry
At the Sleeter Conference, one cloud vendor opined that hooking into bank data feeds means your bank account is always reconciled. If you define bank reconciliation as comparing what happened in your bank account to what you believe should have happened, you are never really reconciled. You are just abdicating control of your bank account to anyone with access to your routing and account numbers.
Do you really believe your clients’ bookkeepers will closely review every transaction in a bank feed? Ten years ago, we caught a bookkeeper transferring money from his employer’s account to his own using ACH transfers. He classified dozens of small transactions as materials expense. Without the enforced discipline of a real bank reconciliation process, these transactions slide into the general ledger through a bank feed unnoticed. Credit card transaction feeds are another huge risk.
Risk #2: Transaction date cutoff
Wave your green eyeshade and raise your AARP card if you remember the concept of accounting periods.
Dozens of times each corporate tax season, we anxiously print a client’s prior year balance sheet to reconcile retained earnings only to have Lucy snatch the retained earnings football from under our Charlie Brown-like hope that retained earnings will tie out this year. And that’s with the locking date feature in QuickBooks available. Many cloud accounting packages have neither formal accounting periods nor locking date functionality. Charlie Brown doesn’t stand a chance – ever.
Imagine an IRS audit where you provide your client’s accounting data to the examiner, and the balance sheet in the audit period no longer matches schedule L on the 1120S form. Welcome to the new world, same as the old world, only the software ensures you can never solve the problem, even for a client with a competent bookkeeper.
Risk #3: Segregation of duties
How are most frauds either prevented or detected? Segregation of duties. When one person performs incompatible duties, fraud results. Our small business clients have trouble ensuring sufficient staff to accomplish segregation. Many cloud accounting packages make segregation impossible, even with sufficient staff, through insufficient password security. Defining user access on a screen-by-screen basis is the exception rather than the rule in cloud packages. When your A/P clerk has access to your bank reconciliation, deleting evidence of theft is easy.
Risk #4: Third-party applications
Veterans of the mid-market accounting software world of the 1990s remember the Wild West world of third-party applications. Since MAS90 didn’t have a point of sale module, a dozen small programming shops produced POS modules, with almost universally bad results. One package took ten years off my life. POS stood for “Piece of S…”
What happened when your third-party vendor went bankrupt or couldn’t afford to upgrade the application for the latest version of the accounting software? You got a thorough and well-deserved verbal thrashing from a client. More importantly, you didn’t get paid.
In the cloud accounting world, version updates are continual. At the Sleeter Conference, I asked one cloud vendor what assurance clients have that third-party vendors will keep up with version updates. He responded that even if the third-party vendors didn’t stay up to date, since the accounting package API would never change, the third-party software would still work. Well, maybe the API won’t change in every version update, but I can absolutely guarantee you, the API will change eventually. When it does, your client’s mission-critical job cost system will vanish like a morning fog in the spring. A happy phone call from your client awaits you.
The cloud accounting world depends on third-party applications. Few vendors have developed advanced job costing or inventory features yet, so they tout the virtues of their independent developer networks. Do you, as a CPA, know enough to pick the choice prime rib applications from the deli turkeys? I don’t, and I don’t believe the major cloud accounting software vendors do either.
Manage the risks like the pro you are
Given the four risks above, you can still craft an effective cloud accounting solution for your clients. And, you may be the only one qualified to assist them. Keep these principles in mind.
First, go deep rather than wide. Knowing one package well helps your clients better than knowing a half dozen a little. By specializing in one or two packages, you’ll learn the strengths and weaknesses of each application. You can then compensate for the weaknesses.
Second, demand consideration and acknowledgment of the special risks of the cloud by your cloud vendor. Four packages lead the way in mitigating the risks above: QuickBooks Online, Intacct, NetSuite and Xero. None is perfect, particularly when it comes to dependence on third-party applications, but each of these vendors addresses the risks in some manner. They are the industry leaders. Selecting the wrong vendor will torpedo your outsourced accounting practice. Imagine asking your clients to switch software again after you learn you made a bad choice.
Finally, the cloud isn’t coming. The cloud is here. We must push vendors to make internal control and third-party application reliability top priorities. What client cares if the software is easy to use, when his bookkeeper has just drained his bank account? Despite the confident talk, cloud accounting vendors know their products are far from complete. As a CPA, direct your clients to the silver lining cloud solutions and let the packages that promise our clients nothing but storm clouds vaporize into thin air.
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KPMG Tax Partner Denied Mulligan On Sketchy Tax Shelter

Peter J Reilly for Forbes writes: There are some really bad things that can happen to you if you are not tax compliant.  Depending on what you do, you could be subject to a 75% fraud penalty or even forfeit your liberty – an all expenses paid stay at Club Fed.  The chance of either of those things happening though is rather remote.  Not so the 20% accuracy penalty.  It is routinely, practically automatically, assessed if your understatement of tax crosses the threshold (greater of 10% of correct tax or $5,000).  When you are in Tax Court, the IRS starts with a presumption in its favor.  Sometimes the Tax Court will rule against the taxpayers on the issue in dispute, but then rule that there was a reasonable basis and let them go on the accuracy penalty.  I don’t have statistics, but my impression from reading most of the cases is that the accuracy penalty is usually upheld.
H&R Block brags about how if you bring them your prior your returns they will often find something that will save you tax, so you can file for a refund.  Of course it is also possible that if you had somebody look at your return, they would notice things that would cause you to owe more money.  There are a lot of mistakes that are very easy to make, particularly if you have somebody who is technically challenged working on your return – at-risk rules, basis limitations, pass through entities.  If a CPA in doing a current return notices that there was a mistake on a prior return, that would cost you if it were fixed, she is ethically obligated to point the error out to you.  If you decline to have the CPA prepare an amended return for you, she is required to reflect on whether she wants to continue to do business with you.

Why Amend?
Putting aside your desire to be a good citizen and to look like a mensch to whoever pointed out the error, why would you amend a return that had an error on it?  The reason is that a “qualified amended return” will avoid the 20% accuracy penalty. Operating from a purely cynical perspective and ignoring interest, if you think that the chance that the IRS will catch the mistake is greater than 20%, the percentage more would be to amend.  I’m actually thinking this through as I am writing this rather than reflecting on how I have practiced over the year.  It would seem that if you are living a pretty plain vanilla life and the error is something that will be picked up by document matching – an overlooked or mistranscribed 1099 or W-2 – you should file the amended return, because you are likely going to get caught.  More subtle errors, like taking a deduction for which you are not at risk, you can probably run for luck, since audit coverage is so low.  Of course if you were my new client, I would have to think about whether I still wanted you as a client.
What Makes It A Qualified Amended Return?
The calculus that, I just described, amend if you think the chance that you will get caught is greater than 20% gives you the clue as to what makes a a “qualified amended return” “qualified”.  Simply stated, an amended return is not qualified, once the IRS has let you know that they are planning to be looking at the original return.  It is, of course, more complicated than that, but that is the essence of it.  Jeffrey Bergmann was before the Ninth Circuit arguing that the Tax Court had gotten some of the fine points of the principle wrong.  It did not go well for him.
My Favorite Source Of Schadenfreude
The story behind the story is the nineties to turn of the millennium phenomenon that Jack Townsend calls the raid on the fisc engineered by the Big Four Accounting firms.  If the deals they designed actually worked, the income tax had truly become optional for the 1% at least on large capital gains.  Instead of paying the government 20%, you paid KPMG 3%.  I was vaguely embarrassed that I did not understand those deals.  When I finally got it though, I realized it was because fundamentally, they did not even make good nonsense.  What most offended me was that they relied on unbalanced entries.  I called it “Debit by the window, credit out the window”. 
Jeffrey Bergman like Sy Sperling decided that he would drink some of the Koolaid that KPMG had blended for its clients on his own returns:

Jeffrey Bergmann, a tax partner at KPMG, LLP, and his wife Kristine Bergmann used a tax strategy known as the “Short Option Strategy” (“SOS”) that KPMG developed and promoted to clients. These SOS transactions artificially inflated the taxpayer’s basis in foreign currency, allowing the taxpayer to claim falsely high losses or low profits on sales of that currency. The Bergmanns engaged in SOS transactions in 2000 and 2001. They timely filed their original 2001 joint tax return, claiming ordinary and long-term capital losses for the two transactions.
Mr. Bergmann had a heads up that the IRS might be interested in his return.
The IRS served two summonses on KPMG on March 19, 2002 for its role in promoting SOS transactions. In March 2004, shortly after KPMG gave the IRS a list of SOS participants including the Bergmanns, they filed an amended return for 2001 removing all the previously-claimed losses and reporting and paying an additional $205,979 in taxes. At no point did the Bergmanns concede that the losses were improperly reported or foreclose themselves from taking another position on a later amended return.
So Mr. Bergmann was looking for a “mulligan” on his original return to avoid the penalty, but if turned out that the original shot had actually been a good one, he was positioned to “unmulligan” by re-amending. Of course the latter never happened, so the stakes in this litigation were limited to the $41,196 penalty that had been assessed.  Mr. Bergmann was arguing that the notice to KPMG did not preclude his still filing a qualified return.
The Tax Court didn’t buy his argument and the Ninth Circuit backed them up:
We agree with the Tax Court that the terminating event described in Treasury Regulation § 1.6664-2(c)(3)(ii) is completed when the IRS first contacts a person concerning liability under § 6700 for an activity with respect to which the taxpayer claimed a tax benefit. This interpretation is supported by the purpose of QARs: encouraging and rewarding taxpayers who voluntarily disclose abusive tax practices, thereby saving IRS resources. See T.D. 9186, 2005-1 C.B. 790. In this case, once KPMG had been told of an investigation and given the Bergmanns’ names to the IRS, the record fails to demonstrate that their amended return was voluntary or saved IRS resources. For these reasons, we affirm the decision by the Tax Court.

Jack Townsend wrote an analysis of the original Tax Court decision, where he discussed the “qualified amended return” gambit in some detail.

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Using Turbo Tax when you have 'complicated' portfolio?

We read over at Bogelheads the following discussion: Using Turbo Tax when you have 'complicated' portfolio?

Postby jowi » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:31 pm
We always have a lawyer do our taxes - costs about $650 and they figure out our quarterly estimates and even submit our checks for us (we just pre-write them out at tax time for the entire next year and they hold them). How hard is doing taxes when you have a pretty extensive portfolio (regular and qualified dividends, capital gains, tax-exempt bonds, regular bonds, etc.)? Does something like Turbo Tax actually walk you through everything? Is it that hard to learn how to do it correctly? Thanks!

Postby DSInvestor » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:37 pm
jowi wrote:How hard is doing taxes when you have a pretty extensive portfolio (regular and qualified dividends, capital gains, tax-exempt bonds, regular bonds, etc.)? Does something like Turbo Tax actually walk you through everything? Is it that hard to learn how to do it correctly? Thanks!


Turbotax will handle all of that with ease. It can even download the 1099-B, 1099-DIV, 1099-INT from your brokerage houses.

It's not hard to learn at all.
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Postby stan1 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:44 pm
I would start by looking at the tax return your attorney did last year. You'll see what income was declared and what deductions were taken and that will guide you on what information you need to do your taxes yourself this year using Turbo Tax.

Using Turbo Tax is a data entry task. You can download many 1099 Forms, but you do have to verify they downloaded correctly.

People run into problems with Turbo Tax when they enter incomplete data. To avoid this my recommendation would be to do everything at once in late Feb/early March once you have all of your tax forms in hand.
Postby jowi » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:47 pm
Thanks ... I wonder if there are any good youtube tutorials or blogs on this. :)
Postby LadyGeek » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:47 pm
Let me ask this from another perspective: Are your taxes involved with legal issues that need expert advice, such as a trust? In this case, your lawyer's advice is appropriate - if nothing more than to keep you from doing the wrong thing.

That being said, it's always worthwhile to try and do this yourself. If you don't match what your lawyer does, then you can ask why.

We have 2 on-going threads: 2013 TurboTax: Which Product? New Rules? and If Not TurboTax, What?

Update: There are a ton of tutorial videos online. Your best bet is to start with the TurboTax website and see what they offer.
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Postby tfb » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:31 pm
jowi wrote:How hard is doing taxes when you have a pretty extensive portfolio (regular and qualified dividends, capital gains, tax-exempt bonds, regular bonds, etc.)? Does something like Turbo Tax actually walk you through everything? Is it that hard to learn how to do it correctly? Thanks!

Intuit offers 60-day unconditional money-back guarantee on TurboTax download/box products. Just buy one and try it. What's easy/hard for others may be hard/easy for you. Only you can tell.

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Postby livesoft » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:17 pm
One can purchase TurboTax for 2012 for about $10. That way one can duplicate the lawyer's work in about 30 minutes and see if the lawyer made any mistakes.
It's all about short-term opportunistic rebalancing due to a short-term change in one's asset allocation, uh, I mean opportunistic rebalancing, uh I mean rebalancing, uh I mean market timing.
Postby livesoft » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:35 pm
jowi wrote:Thanks ... I wonder if there are any good youtube tutorials or blogs on this. :)

Every year, the NY Times fills out a tax-return of a typical NY family with all kinds of annotations and comments. Every year it's a good lesson on how to do it.

For 2013: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013 ... n-doc.html
For 2012: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... -1040.html
…
For 1989: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/05/busin ... -step.html
It's all about short-term opportunistic rebalancing due to a short-term change in one's asset allocation, uh, I mean opportunistic rebalancing, uh I mean rebalancing, uh I mean market timing.

Postby DSInvestor » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:57 pm
livesoft wrote:One can purchase TurboTax for 2012 for about $10. That way one can duplicate the lawyer's work in about 30 minutes and see if the lawyer made any mistakes.


This is a good idea and would definitely go a long way towards getting comfortable with using turbotax 2013 for the 2013 tax return. However it may take a little more time than 30 mins if there are lots of 1099-B, 1099-DIV, 1099-INT in the complicated portfolio to enter manually into turbotax 2012. I'd be very surprised if the 1099 downloads for 2012 tax year data are still available today. Once you get used to the turbotax interview process and entering the tax slips, it'll go faster.
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Postby livesoft » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:04 pm
DSInvestor wrote:However it may take a little more time than 30 mins if ….

Shhhh! Now you have really spoiled it for them.
It's all about short-term opportunistic rebalancing due to a short-term change in one's asset allocation, uh, I mean opportunistic rebalancing, uh I mean rebalancing, uh I mean market timing.
Postby tetractys » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:25 pm
The nice thing about TT is that it's a guided experience, one step at a time, slow and deliberate. If an impasse comes up, a missing piece of paper, a 1099, a bit of information or whatever, come back later with it.

Last year I put all my stuff in a folder and did TT in a few visits to my local coffee shop/book store/hot spot. The important points I find helpful are 1. enter everything manually to avoid download screw-ups, and 2. make sure everything is accounted for--having to do a 1040X later is a pain, and 3. relax, take it easy, breath, drink coffee, and enjoy the atmosphere. -- Tet
Postby bsquared » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:06 pm
I liked tfb's comment on hard/easy, but I wanted to pick up on a later comment relative to the "guided process." I see very little criticism of Turbo Tax out here, but don't you think it could be a whole lot smoother? I was using it last year after not having used it for 2010 or 2011, and I thought it had gotten worse. Just wondering whether others had that experience.

I also wanted to mention a thread I saw last night about doing your own taxes, but I could not find it when I looked just now. I thought it had a lot of good comments. Maybe Lady Geek could tell us where it is.
Postby in_reality » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:10 pm
jowi wrote:Does something like Turbo Tax actually walk you through everything? Is it that hard to learn how to do it correctly? Thanks!


I see State taxes as being potentially burdensome.

When using Turbo Tax to calculate a State return (for rental income as a non-resident of that State), I noticed that there seems to potentially be complicated manual adjustments that may need to be made as many states do not conform to AMERICAN TAXPAYER RELIEF ACT OF 2012 for 2013 [meaning they were conforming to the changes for 2012 but not any longer]. A quick search shows me Maine, Minnesota, Idaho and California have at least some conformity issues. I am sure that list is not exhaustive. What I don't know is if Turbo Tax is handling that everywhere.

For example this is what Turbo Tax advised for Mn.


The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012(ATRA) extended a number of federal tax provisions that had, or would have, expired.

Minnesota conformed to these changes only for tax year 2012 and not for tax year 2013 and beyond. For a complete list of the federal provisions that were extended into 2013 that Minnesota no longer allows, see Minnesota-Federal Income Tax Conformity.

Due to this nonconformity, some Minnesota taxpayers may need to recalculate their federal income as if it was calculated using the Minnesota tax law. We know this recalculation won’t be easy.

In the near future, you will find step-by-step guidance here in recalculating your federal income tax return for Minnesota purposes. You can do it yourself or we can connect you with a tax advisor to help you.

Additional Guidance will be coming as soon as we learn more, and any updates will be available here.


Actually, my rental income was below the filing requirement so I don't really know how complicated it would have been.

Given there are lots of areas where there might be differences though (again this is for MN), you may want to make sure you can handle it in Turbo Tax before canceling your lawyer. Well of course if your lawyer need to reconcile these things too, perphaps your fees would be higher.

Differences in Income Items
Differences in Above-the-Line Deductions
Differences in Itemized Deductions
Differences in Standard Deductions and Personal Exemptions
Differences in Credits

California is non-complient in many respects too (1) but I haven't checked (as I've no income in CA) to see if Turbo Tax is handling it though. Maybe it is handling it ok for CA and it's just Minnesota having complications now because they were conformant in 2012 but aren't any longer.

I wonder what the Turbo Tax advisor charges...

(1)http://www.caltax.com/spidellweb/public/editorial/ATRA.pdf

Postby Lafder » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:38 pm
Do you have a lawyer do your taxes? Are they also an accountant?

I have an accountant do my taxes. I tried Turbo Tax, or was Quicken, and found it stressful to know where to enter the different numbers. Maybe I was over reading the questions, but it seemed there were multiple places to enter the same numbers. I feel that the fees I pay my accountant are buying for her to better understand where to put which numbers and why, to my advantage. I provide the numbers for her.

She gives me prefilled out forms and even envelopes for the estimated tax payments when I get my copy of my return, and I pay them myself through the year.

You must be paying something for your lawyer to hold your checks and remember to mail them through the year.

Consider talking to your tax person about ways to decrease the cost, such as you mailing the checks yourself.

My husband suggested that I "try" Turbo Tax again by taking the information I provided for last years taxes, and entering all of the information and comparing it to how my accountant did the taxes. So I will suggest that to you as well.

The expense of tax preparation is an allowable deduction.

My mom has a "complicated portfolio" and has been doing her taxes by hand for years, not using any kind of tax software. She thinks I am the crazy one for paying an accountant to enter the numbers I provide. But around tax time, I think I am the less stressed one.

You won't know if you like doing it yourself and feel confident unless you try it. I just think it is safer to try it with last tax year's (2012) numbers first, since you have something to compare it to.

I am curious how it goes if you do try it, maybe if it goes well I will give it another try myself.

Lafder
Postby BL » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:33 am
DSInvestor wrote:
livesoft wrote:One can purchase TurboTax for 2012 for about $10. That way one can duplicate the lawyer's work in about 30 minutes and see if the lawyer made any mistakes.


This is a good idea and would definitely go a long way towards getting comfortable with using turbotax 2013 for the 2013 tax return. However it may take a little more time than 30 mins if there are lots of 1099-B, 1099-DIV, 1099-INT in the complicated portfolio to enter manually into turbotax 2012. I'd be very surprised if the 1099 downloads for 2012 tax year data are still available today. Once you get used to the turbotax interview process and entering the tax slips, it'll go faster.


I agree that this is an excellent way to see if you are ready to do it on your own. Amazon is one of the sources for the 2012 software:
http://www.amazon.com/TurboTax-Deluxe-Federal-E-File-State/dp/B009CCXJ0A/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1390800393&sr=8-13&keywords=turbotax+2012+download

You could do the same thing for this year but TT would cost more.

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