Thursday, August 15, 2013

First look: Sage 50 Accounts 2014 ‘VAT edition’

John Stokdyk for AccountingWeb UK  writes: 
Now in its umpteeth year, the 2014 upgrade for Sage's flagship UK desktop accounting package has been released to the market branded as “the VAT edition”. John Stokdyk explores the new features in the latest release.
Sage 50 Accounts has grown into such a distinctive package that you have to feel sympathy for the product development team when it comes to dreaming up features for new releases. To help this process, the company maintains meticulous records on support calls and wishlist requests and devotes a lot of time to product research.
During this year’s round, the company found that 56% of its customers had concerns about getting their VAT returns wrong and this finding drove the development of new VAT tools for the 2014 edition.
The new Manage VAT module steps you very briskly through the process of preparing a return, identifying and reconciling transactions and making any necessary adjustments very efficiently (see screenshot above). You enter the dates for which you want to prepare the return and Sage 50 will give you all the open transactions, along with notifications where they have not been updated or other issues have arisen. Reconciliation reports are available and tools to make adjustments if needed, but if your transactions are in order, you can click a button to reconcile them to the return (as shown above), click another to close them and a third button to file the return.
New stock management features
The other area that seems to have received the most attention in Sage 50 Accounts 2014 is stock management. The program has been equipped with a opening and closing stock wizard. It includes a spreadsheet-like grid if you want to conduct your own stock take, plus a facility to import an Excel or .CSV file. As part of the year end routine, a new tool lets you remove stock transactions and records, or clear stock on an individual product. If you then want to work out the closing stock value for the P&L, you can do this by hand, or you can click the stock wizard’s Calculate button to generate the value from your previous stock activity:
Sage 50 Accounts 2014 Stock management wizard
Multicurrency
Sage 50 Accounts will also make life easier for companies that trade overseas. A Foreign Trader set-up wizard comes as standard with the Professional edition of Sage 50 Accounts, and is available as an optional extra for cheaper versions. The routine lets you define the relevant currency for customer, supplier and bank transactions, based on current exchange rates. This means you can record the correct values and print the invoices and orders in the correct currency.
Charity tools
For charity users, Sage 50 Accounts 2014 can record and track donations under the Gift Aid Small Donations Scheme (GASDS) and will produce a Gift Aid and submission reports that can be filed electronically with HMRC.
Housekeeping
Serveral new tools also streamline the data management tools, including change your financial year option, which might help if you switch accounting dates, or if transactions are accidentally processed in the wrong year. For data maintenance, more tools are now available for users to archive their data at any time - not just during the year-end routine - and to run data checks, and reindex and compress the data if needed. This was an issue that the Sage 50 Accounts discussion group debated a few years ago.
Help confusions
All of these features are welcome, and obviously speak to the needs of existing users. But for someone like me returning to Sage 50 Accounts after a few years away the help system is a bit hit and miss. The information is in there, if you look but Sage appears not to be sure whether help should be delivered within the application or online help. Some answers are delivered by Sage Accounts Help within the application, while hitting the F1 key or other links such as the button within the VAT Manager launch a browser and take you off to a Sage helpdesk website (which containd the same information). Another help menu option promises webinars, so you can end up with 2-3 help windows open at once if you’re hunting for an obscure answer.
The YouTube videos were a bit on the irritating/simplistic side, but if you persevere through the “key feature” series you can find useful tutorials about using the application’s new tools.
The big question: Is it worth upgrading?
This is the question we ask every year of Sage Accounts 50. Sage customers who go for the priority Sagecover or monthly subscription options will be entitled to move already, but we know there are still lots of businesses and accountants who don’t want to follow the forced march along Sage’s upgrade path.
If you are a stock-based business trading overseas, Sage 50 Accounts 2014 is now a mature mid-market accounting package and a respectable rival to some more expensive options. And it has the advantage of working in a way that many users are familiar with.
AccountingWEB member ghewitt  injected a dose of cynicism to the discussion of the new version in our Sage 50 Accounts discussion group, by saying the upgrade worth talking about would be if Sage migrated to the SQL Server database. “Most of the updates I have encountered meant re-writing the Excel sheets I have created because it says “wrong data source” or some such when I refresh. Also the reports always seem to have a problem. There is only so much you can do before it just becomes updates for updates sake’.”
Sage 50 Accounts 2014
Target market Small and medium size businesses and their accountants. With generations of accountants having learned how to use it, Sage 50 Accounts remains the UK's most popular application, but is coming under pressure from simpler, cheaper cloud alternatives. Features added in the past few years make it an increasingly functional program for larger firms.
Cost From £619 for the basic one-person edition to £6,565 for a two-user edition with unlimited companies. The software and support can also be paid for with monthly subscriptions starting from £50/month.
Sage 50 Accounts 2014 - VAT return module
Strengths
● It's Sage 50 - having been taught how to use it, most accountants can find their way around it.
● Fast and easy to set up new companies, with comprehensive wizards and help routines
● Wide range of functionality to meet the needs of most businesses: customers/supplier records, purchase/sales orders, project accounts, Excel exports and flexible reporting tools (many upgraded in past few versions)
● Some basic CRM elements, including an in-application diary to schedule accounting tasks
 Mobile app allows for remote access to accounting records
● Enhanced Manage VAT module introduced for 2014 edition, along with new stock, multicurrency, charity and housekeeping tools
Weaknesses
● Runs on proprietary Sage database, which can throw up occasional data index and storage issues
● While interface has improved with a central dashboard and task bars in recent years, it still carries hints of its 20th century heritage
● While comprehensive and readily accessible, Help information is divided between in-application and online archives
● Prices for high-spec multi-user, multi-company editions can run into the thousands.
For more info, visit www.sage.co.uk/sage-50-accounts
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"The VAT Edition"    2 thanks

Locutus PM |  | Permalink
Everything that you describe for preparing the VAT Return sounds exactly the same as for the previous 10 + years of versions, albeit that the screen layout is now slightly different.
I left the Sage Accountants Club earlier this year, as many of my clients are going in the direction of the cloud.
In my view Sage needs a proper cloud version (not the cut down SageOne or the Online50 hosted version of desktop Sage). They also need the ability to import bank data via an automated feed that several of the cloud systems now do.
In my 12 years of being a Sage Accountants Club member, not much changed in the annual updates. Good to see I won't be missing too much with the 2014 version.

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njpandya PM |  | Permalink
I used to work with mid-tier accounting firm and currently working in industry. I agree to the above comments. I can reasonably say that I have used Sage in Practice, Manufacturing, industry and most of all sorts of  business type one can imagine except Solicitor accounting.
What I found little funny about Sage is just by adding some shiny, bit catchy dashboards they charge nearly a fortune of amount for being a club member. But I my humble opinion it's time to go SQL with cloud version. Now, the best thing I noticed about Sage is their support is remarkable and worth if you are a Sage fanatic.


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'The VAT Edition'    3 thanks

Witch-Queen PM |  | Permalink
Although most of you know me as what might be described as a 'Sage fanatic', I totally agree with the two posts above.
Not much has changed since the layout changed in V12. The only change that made life easier was the ability to put the Bank rec and other list windows in order, which came in on V16 (I think)
The Verification part of the new VAT return is a nice touch, IF the user understands what they are looking at, but I can see this causing a lot of questions.
Most of the questions I get from people all over the country about VAT are not about how to run a return, they are about what the T codes mean and how and when to use them. Especially where EC sales/purchases are involved.
I am part of the Sage Usability & Design Panel and about a year ago I was asked to look at a possible new design for V20 (which I did not like) but nothing I was shown at that time has happened.
Every year it's just a few new bells and whistles that people may look at once but never use.
In my opinion there has been no point upgrading since V16 (2010)
Karen

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Myshkin PM |  | Permalink
I think if anyone has any shares in the Sage group out there they need to sell them fast if this is all they can come up with.  Blackberry here we come.

There is so much that needs fixing!  How about grown up drill down like every other product on the market for a start?  How about proper exports to Excel that Quickbooks have had for years?  How about being able to amend reports without paying a fortune to 3rd party developers or needing a degree in computer studies?  I could go on all day as could all the other intelligent users out there.
But then I guess all the things we need would mean Sage going over to SQL which they have tried to do in the past and failed.  They just weren't up to it.

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@ Myskin

Si_Woodhams PM |  | Permalink
There are drill down reports - been there since 2012.
And you dont need a degree or 3rd party to amend reports - it is fairly straight forward.
Excel exports - have you not looked at the latest version - you can export anything you want to excel?!

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Myshkin PM |  | Permalink
The drill down is hopeless - have you ever used TAS?  
Amending reports is very far from being straightforward - I started with Fortran in the sixties and have been involved in software ever since.  Have you ever used Quickbooks?

And the Excel exports are hopeless - have you ever seen Quickbook exports?

Sage is only rated because there are so many people out there who have never used anything else.

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njpandya PM |  | Permalink
This can happen if consumer like me to begin with are ready to embrace an understand much better & user friendly products. I really liked some of the above comments made above providing much insight to the way Sage is approaching today's accountancy market. Looking from 360 degree one thing is sure Sage fundamental belief has been acquire new company & grow but seldom focus on the main product.
Hope Sage largest shareholder gets the point we are trying to make!!


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Sage is in the wrong business    1 thanks

Locutus PM |  | Permalink
Sorry for turning this into an anti-Sage rant ... but I've been using it since 1998 and in a decade and a half their flagship product has hardly changed.
I've always felt Sage is in the wrong business as it is more of a marketing company than a software company, since so little seems to go into product development.
The improvement of the bank rec facility 5 or 6 years ago was useful, the recent-ish addition of drill down facility on reports is clunky, as is the report designer (which I'm not sure has ever been upgraded). There are a few minor Internet bells and whistles bolted on, but it has really been 15 years of minor incremental updates.
Sage Accounts 50 as it is now, is really a product of the 1990s. Something I know for certain - they will have to make some substantial updates in the next 15 years, or end up the same way as the likes of Kodak.

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Sage L50 I like it    1 thanks

sarah douglas PM |  | Permalink
Hi Yes I know there are those who do not like Sage.
What accountants need to remember is that the package is been used by business who use every module and use sage for analysis, Stock system, database, credit control, project costing.  It is not made with just accountants in mind.
Sage is actually very good at completing those analysis when entering original source document.  It is unfair to say those who like sage have never used anything else and this is simply not the case.  As I said in another post cloud is no where near ready for entering large volumes of data.   I still recommend Sage to my clients as I still think it is one of the best on the market.  
I pride myself in keeping up to date and trying new software out.  Not all my clients are on Sage because it would not suit them but there are plenty that is perfect for. The work  sage have done on the stock system over the last few versions has been a vast improvement . The fact is my clients run very good businesses and if a package was not correct they would tell you quickly.
I like cloud softwares but like I have said before Sage is for a whole business and not just the accountants .  This is why I believe Sage will still sell.  One item I do notice with my clients is that some of the cloud systems do not deal with floating liabilities and Assets very well for the balance sheet when you are presenting the balance sheet to clients .
In relation to pricing it is important to let your accountant manager know if you are not selling because of price and they do work with you on this one. Also my clients do feed back that they are impressed with Sage Cover if they have it.   It is up to everyone to decide what is right for them as all software programs have good points and bad points and I think Sage is a bit like Marmite - those who love or hate it .  
Whether you want to upgrade it up to anyone but so far I have had a good response from my clients on the demos.  Just to clarify I do not sell Sage for a commission or any gain.
Sarah Douglas Douglas Accountancy and Bookkeeping Services Glasgow                                                                                          

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johndon68 PM |  | Permalink

@Witch-Queen - In my opinion there has been no point upgrading since V16 (2010)
Hope you are well :)  Not sure I'd agree on that one, 2012 brought massive speed improvements over previous versions which were, in some instances, improved again in 2013...

@Myshkin - How about being able to amend reports without paying a fortune to 3rd party developers
3rd party developers get no better access to reports than end users, there is nothing they can do with Reports than anyone else...

@Myshkin - Sage going over to SQL which they have tried to do in the past and failed.  They just weren't up to it
I guess we will never know the real reason why they pulled the MySQL version but the disappointing thing is that they actually did appear to be up to - I saw it running with 30+ users entering invoices all at the same time into the same database that already had over one million records in it and the program didn't beak a sweat…  

I'd certainly agree that Sage appear to be struggling for new features although one that is in v2014 that is new and hasn't got much of a mention is that it is now possible to process foreign currency transactions if you are on VAT Cash Accounting which doesn't sound like much but has required a huge amount of development work.

John

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Speed Issues

sarah douglas PM |  | Permalink
Hi John Don.   I would agree that there were huge differences in speed.    I have 2013 on a 64bit machine 8GB and it is superfast.  I also have 2012 and 2013 on a 3GB and 32bit and there was a huge difference in the speed.   I have a lot of clients who us the 3rd party adds ons through Sage and this can make a huge difference to a business.Sarah Douglas Douglas Accountancy and Bookkeeping Services Glasgow

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QB 2014 arrives September

carnmores PM |  | Permalink
and you can now migrate sage files thru  ledgerscope (and a charge) to QB online , something to think about...........

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